Looks like the 6 should come down. Interesting decision with a Big Pick6 Carryover at Stake.
Glad TVG decided to switch to a nothing Post Parade at DelMar.....
Gutless 3 blind mice gave a nice gift to the pick six players alive to the winner.
Had no stake in this but no idea how that horse stayed up, unless they decided it happened after the wire.
It was a tough call.
Yeah, the horse drifted out and bumped the middle horse, who tapped the outside horse.
The middle horse was already passed by the outside horse and would have run 3rd anyway. The outside horse was affected very close to teh wire, questionable whether or not he could have won.
A DQ may have been warranted, but it wasn\'t an obvious DQ, I don\'t have a problem with the result.
Didnt have a dime on the race.
JB,
They must have thought it happened so close to the finish it didn\'t affect the outcome. It looked like it happened 4-5 jumps from the wire.
Pretty good argument that the 12 MAY have won it had there been no bumping.Tough call but I really think that had the pick six not been in play,they dq the 6.
Mike
Even more curious is they didn\'t even blink the 6, guess they weren\'t quite sure who did what.
Should have come down.
My money finished fourth -- and it would have made no difference to me, either way.
53-1 shot had legit chance in there, and ran huge.
miff Wrote:
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> Pretty good argument that the 12 MAY have won it
> had there been no bumping.Tough call but I really
> think that had the pick six not been in play,they
> dq the 6.
>
> Mike
Can\'t argue with this Mike.
I just disagree that it was a crime that there wasn\'t any change. I\'ve seen worse.
The #13 ran huge, but he finished where he should have. The incident didn\'t cost that horse.
Paul,
Agree there have been worse, but watching that head on 5-6 times, don\'t know how they determined that the bumping by the 6(under a left handed stick no less) was \"insufficient\" to change the possible outcome.
No decision for me,I have said before that the 3 blind mice can destroy a possible lifetime score and thats excess baggage players don\'t need.
Mike
What did this decision cost the Track??? Net Net maybe 5% of say $1M in fresh New Pick 6 handle tomorrow??
I mean seriously the outcome of the 11th didn\'t change the handle for today but it certainly did for tomorrow!
Certainly this shouldn\'t be a factor but it would have created a Pretty Big nadle and lot more Players pumping money into the Spa Pools tomorrow! But not now.....
I agree. The horses caught legs and someone could have come down.
I had no money on the race.
The weird thing is that before the infraction everybody is talking about, the horse in the middle was pushing the rail horse into the rail. The jockey on the rail horse had to switch to the left handed whip because his neighbor was flush up against him and he would have been hitting both horses if he tried to whip right handed.
Then, just before the finish, the rail horse way pushed back against the middle horse that had been crowding him into the rail (more than overcompensating as retaliation for being pushed into the rail).
Now, I do not know the rules of racing....how do they handle that? Do they just look at the retaliation (which looked pretty bad) or do they take into consideration what was happening earlier in the stretch. In my view, no way can you blame the jock on the rail horse for switching to the left handed whip when he did. he was totally getting squished into the rail. I could see call going either way, but have no idea how they are supposed to handle \"the whole story\" when one horse starts something and the other retaliates. Also, it did sure look dangerous to me and like a horse could have gone down, but to me that middle horse was not so innocent as he did really crowded the rail horse flush to the rail.
SoCalMan2 Wrote:
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> I had no money on the race.
>
> The weird thing is that before the infraction
> everybody is talking about, the horse in the
> middle was pushing the rail horse into the rail.
> The jockey on the rail horse had to switch to the
> left handed whip because his neighbor was flush up
> against him and he would have been hitting both
> horses if he tried to whip right handed.
>
> Then, just before the finish, the rail horse way
> pushed back against the middle horse that had been
> crowding him into the rail (more than
> overcompensating as retaliation for being pushed
> into the rail).
>
> Now, I do not know the rules of racing....how do
> they handle that? Do they just look at the
> retaliation (which looked pretty bad) or do they
> take into consideration what was happening earlier
> in the stretch. In my view, no way can you blame
> the jock on the rail horse for switching to the
> left handed whip when he did. he was totally
> getting squished into the rail. I could see call
> going either way, but have no idea how they are
> supposed to handle \"the whole story\" when one
> horse starts something and the other retaliates.
> Also, it did sure look dangerous to me and like a
> horse could have gone down, but to me that middle
> horse was not so innocent as he did really crowded
> the rail horse flush to the rail.
Could the non-DQ have been a sub silentio offsetting penalties call?
link to DRF below, stewards said too close to wire; I have watched a few times and still do not see how they can say that; although nothing surprises when up to the \"powers that be\"... thoughts/comments...
http://www.drf.com/news/sarataoga-pick-six-pays-86701-nine-correct-tickets-after-inquiry-final-leg
Wasn\'t there a Belmont a few years ago with a Triple Crown on the line and an inside horse took a right hand turn late causing a serious bump!!
And NOBODY thought he was going to stay up had he not been been in the late surge.
Why is a bad bump right before the wire not any worse than a bad bump right out of the gate??
There goes the conspiracy theory....
Seriously, these stewards just SUCK! I did not have anything on the line in this race, but time after time these guys just are way too inconsistent.
Does anyone know what the requirements are to become a Steward and what are they tested on? To me, what ever the test is they need to revamp it. Do they have to take continued education classes every 2 years?
They should be held accountable for all the decisions they make and every year or two they should be reviewed by a committee which includes at least one handicapper (player) who is not affiliated with an organization.
Sorry about my rant.....
Beau, Re a review of steward qualifications/performance:
One of many suggestions to smug NYRA years ago.In fairness, they get it right most of the time, imo. Yesterday is a tough sell for me but now we\'re into opinions.Had the middle horse clipped heels and fell the winner would have come down for the SAME infraction. The finish was too close for the foul to be called \"insuficient\" but the stewards have the last say.
Mike
Mike I agree! Beau The Conspiracy Theory could be solved by finding out WHO had those each of those 9 Winning Tickets!
If it was some Powerful Insiders then there is your answr.....