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Title: Could you guys imagine if someone did this today?
Post by: covelj70 on March 10, 2011, 09:49:39 AM
March 14, 1973: In his final preparation for the March 17 Bay Shore Stakes, the first race of his three-year-old season, Secretariat worked three furlongs in a blistering :32 3/5.

holy smokes
Title: Re: Could you guys imagine if someone did this today?
Post by: Beginner on March 10, 2011, 11:11:02 AM
The movie \"Secretariat\" took some poetic license (Sham winning the Wood as someone else already pointed out), but I wonder if the training regimen was real.  In the movie, they had him all out at 8 furlongs a couple of days before the Belmont.  Here\'s a link to his PP\'s:

http://www.secretariat.com/past-performances/
Title: Re: Could you guys imagine if someone did this today?
Post by: TGJB on March 10, 2011, 11:31:05 AM
Whatever they did doesn\'t hold a candle to the nonsense in Seabiscuit, where they had a top racehorse being galloped THROUGH THE WOODS. At night, I think. Forget the branches and trees, how bout the roots and rocks.
Title: Re: Could you guys imagine if someone did this today?
Post by: magicnight on March 10, 2011, 11:53:48 AM
Or how about that scene in \"A Day at the Races\" where Groucho gave Margaret Dumont the same race day medication he had supposedly given to a Kentucky Derby winner?

Oh, wait. Never mind.
Title: Re: Could you guys imagine if someone did this today?
Post by: TGJB on March 10, 2011, 12:29:13 PM
For at least 10 years before I had any interest in racing I had been hearing my father say \"You don\'t have a Breeder\'s Guide?\" without knowing it came from that movie or what it meant.

And once I got in the business I found that concept-- selling crap to unsophisticates trying to beat the game-- is reality based. Those guys were ahead of their time for sure.
Title: Re: Could you guys imagine if someone did this today?
Post by: magicnight on March 10, 2011, 12:43:36 PM
Yeah, some version of \"Tootsie-Frootsie\" being pitched to suckers is right up there with death and taxes. Sounds as if I would have liked your father.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LBIsDBC848&feature=related

And, to Cov\'s original post, what about Hard Spun? How many people did not bet him because of that 58 and 1/5 move prior to the Derby?
Title: Re: Could you guys imagine if someone did this today?
Post by: P-Dub on March 10, 2011, 12:51:52 PM
TGJB Wrote:
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> Whatever they did doesn\'t hold a candle to the
> nonsense in Seabiscuit, where they had a top
> racehorse being galloped THROUGH THE WOODS. At
> night, I think. Forget the branches and trees, how
> bout the roots and rocks.


It was in the day time.

It was a movie.

I doubt anybody watched that scene and worried about roots and rocks. They took a bit of license with the movie. Few people care. He was advancing the storyline.

Do you guys pick apart every movie to find discrepancies?? There are any number of great movies that suspend reality.

Doyle Lonnegan is going to leave the parlor with his 2 mil left behind?? Sure he is.  Didn\'t ruin the movie for me.
Title: Re: Could you guys imagine if someone did this today?
Post by: TGJB on March 10, 2011, 01:05:47 PM
Pdub-- now, that was a productive post.
Title: Re: Could you guys imagine if someone did this today?
Post by: ajkreider on March 10, 2011, 02:02:10 PM
QuoteDoyle Lonnegan is going to leave the parlor with his 2 mil left behind?? Sure he is. Didn\'t ruin the movie for me

He left it because it was only 500K.  And it wasn\'t his money anyway, cuz Lucky Dan ran second.

Now, Jay Trotter running through a door (literally) to get his bet down - that\'s poetic license.
Title: Re: Could you guys imagine if someone did this today?
Post by: alm on March 10, 2011, 07:33:37 PM
Yeah maybe they could have advanced the Seabiscuit story line some more to the time that Silent Tom got banned for using ephedrine on a horse before a race in NY.  Ooops...it wouldn\'t make much of a story if we thought the champ had help.
Title: Re: Could you guys imagine if someone did this today?
Post by: shanahan on March 10, 2011, 11:29:27 PM
let\'s just have a documentary on Dutrow\'s successful horses and let it go at that.  Hollywood can make it all seem so real!
Title: Re: Could you guys imagine if someone did this today?
Post by: P-Dub on March 10, 2011, 11:31:30 PM
TGJB Wrote:
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> Pdub-- now, that was a productive post.

Right JB.

Talking about rocks, roots, and tree limbs.  That was really productive too.
Title: Re: Could you guys imagine if someone did this today?
Post by: P-Dub on March 10, 2011, 11:38:56 PM
ajkreider Wrote:
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> He left it because it was only 500K.  And it
> wasn\'t his money anyway, cuz Lucky Dan ran
> second.

No, he left it because he was forced out of the room.  The last thing he wanted to do was leave the money behind.
Title: Re: Could you guys imagine if someone did this today?
Post by: sekrah on March 11, 2011, 04:45:58 PM
Wow.. P-Dub with the busted sarcasm detector..  I\'m pretty sure Jerry\'s comments were genuine and that he agreed with you.
Title: Re: Could you guys imagine if someone did this today?
Post by: P-Dub on March 11, 2011, 06:26:43 PM
sekrah Wrote:
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> Wow.. P-Dub with the busted sarcasm detector..
> I\'m pretty sure Jerry\'s comments were genuine and
> that he agreed with you.


Get some new batteries for yours, don\'t think JB agreed with me.  

I should have left it alone after last week\'s ROTW. That is why we use TG, for those opportunities.
Title: Re: Could you guys imagine if someone did this today?
Post by: Capot on March 11, 2011, 06:33:32 PM
In Chicago  in the late 70s early 80s they had a trainer who galloped his horses in the woods. His name was Harvey Roland.