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Title: Looking Forward
Post by: Silver Charm on November 28, 2010, 05:22:44 PM
Some nice 2YO\'s ran this weekend. Maybe all of this patient training and conditioning will pay off as most the BC Juvy runners were lightly raced. Coly race only had 9 horses and one shipped right in from Puerto Rico.

They thought the McPeek Filly would win the Juvy Filly Turf. Not surprised at the romp in Golden Rod! Mott won the Remson once before with Court Vision.

Older divsion with all of the retirements will weak. 3YO crop was poor and LAL also retired. Might be some late developers.

Things quiet down until Santa Anita opens the day after XMas. May have been blessed the last couple of years with Rachel and Zenyatta but 3YO Derby winners and fields were weak.

Maybe that is about to change....
Title: Re: Looking Forward
Post by: miff on November 29, 2010, 06:55:19 AM
Without double checking the figs,this year has a few of the fastest 2 yr old colts and fillies that we have seen in a long time.If this group does not go bad, it should very interesting.A little less impresssed with To Honor And Serve after Saturday but he could get better over the winter.


Mike
Title: Re: Looking Forward
Post by: Michael D. on November 29, 2010, 07:23:16 AM
miff Wrote:
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> Without double checking the figs,this year has a
> few of the fastest 2 yr old colts and fillies that
> we have seen in a long time.If this group does not
> go bad, it should very interesting.A little less
> impresssed with To Honor And Serve after Saturday
> but he could get better over the winter.
>
>
> Mike



love both Mo and THAS. ruins the fun of picking out a Derby futures horse though. not gonna find any value on either.

THAS did run a bit slow at the end though. was there a head-wind down the stretch on Saturday? with that pedigree, I\'ll be surprised if he can\'t get a mile and a quarter. looks a lot like his father. and what a sire his father is turning out to be. still think Bernardini was one of the great 3 yr old colts.

Mike, who\'s the fast 2 yr old filly? I thought the BC bunch was very slow. a nice looking run from that Bluegrass Cat filly on Sat, but was it that fast?
Title: Re: Looking Forward
Post by: bstaubs22 on November 29, 2010, 08:03:50 AM
Dancinginherdreams will be the filly to watch when she returns to racing after her breif layoff in FLA. She was extremely impressive in both career starts and I can\'t wait to see her when she stretches out for the first time. Not sure what her figs have been however.

B
Title: Re: Looking Forward
Post by: miff on November 29, 2010, 08:45:21 AM
Mike D,

Brain lock does not permit me to name the fillies but Bill Mott has one(1st time maiden breaker in NY, maybe from AP Indy out of Royal Delta) thats the absolute talk around NY and John Ward has the other one in Kentucky.The BC 2yr old filly winner, AF, went to Chad Brown and has not done anything wrong, though nickle bred. Mc Peeks filly winner on Sat was ok+ against a kinda weak bunch,won at CD, finished very big.

On the colts, MO has giant figs for a baby and several others only a few points slower. THAS has run fast figs for a baby also(102 Beyer on Sat in the TG 0 range) but went an unnecessary 46 and change middle half grabbing on while not asked,thats not good, but Bill Mott will fix, if possible.Thought the second horse held very well and showed determination.

Totally agree on the futures thing,but friends who play them are salivating to gamble against the MO\'s and THAS of the world.

Mike
Title: Re: Looking Forward
Post by: alm on November 29, 2010, 09:13:26 AM
Mike

Awesome Feather is \'nickle-bred\' by definition, no doubt.  However, have you taken a close look at the sire\'s pedigree? Putting aside her dam sire, who isn\'t too shabby, there are some close-up monsters in this filly\'s genetics.

Al
Title: Re: Looking Forward
Post by: miff on November 29, 2010, 09:30:41 AM
Hi Al,

There is a long list of nickle breds that were purchased for huge sums that stepped on their breeding rather quickly leaving millions in red ink.Hear what you say about grandpa\'s and grandma\'s but just don\'t trust nickle breds long term.


Mike
Title: Re: Looking Forward
Post by: alm on November 29, 2010, 10:26:46 AM
I hear you...however, when I was a very novice breeder, I bred a daughter of Red Ryder (full brother of Mr. Prospector) to a stallion by Graustark out of Eastern Princess.  Sounds pretty inconsequential...I was the only guy in the room who knew who Eastern Princess was (full sister to Bold Ruler.)

The foal was an Ohio bred who won 12 of 20 and $500,000 running at dipshit tracks...he was a Horse of the Year.  As a 3yo, he won a 10 furlong stakes race in 2:03 at Thistledown, the same year Sea Hero won the Derby in slower time.  Overall he won from 5 to 10 furlongs.  Pedigree deficiencies or not, I think he would have cooked most of the bluebloods during what I admit was a very poor year.

If you don\'t go too far back in a pedigree to find champions and other quality horses, you might end up with an individual like that.  This filly may be like that.
Title: Re: Looking Forward
Post by: Silver Charm on November 29, 2010, 04:54:12 PM
A good friend of mine plays Poker with some Bluegrass area Farmhands and he told me a while back the word was the Bernardini\'s are coming out looking good.

There may be plenty more to come.....

McPeek has some late developing 2YO colts. Be watching at GP!