(For those who may not know, below refers to a post on the Rag board).
1-- I made clear IN THE POST AFTER THE RACE, WHERE I TALKED ABOUT YOUR FIGURES, that I expected Midge to bounce, and my seminar (where I said so) is posted on this site, for everyone to see. So much for your \"dishonest\" crap.
2-- The point I made was about the figures themselves, not the read. I described the figure relationships between the horses, on your figures. Show me one I got wrong, in any of the three examples I talked about, and stick the \"dishonest debate\" crap where the sun don\'t shine.
Len--any time you want to get in an actual public debate about any of this stuff, as opposed to calling me names (i.e. lying about me), you let me know. You are free to post here any time you want, as opposed to your policy of fear of dissent on your board. Meanwhile, I invite everyone (Vito?) to watch our seminar, and look at the full sheets with the figures they ran, when we post them in a few days. Len, you have the ability to do the same, you post races all the time (only AFTER THE FACT of course, ones that make you look good). Why not do so with the BC? Answer-- because I\'m not the one who is being dishonest.
JB,
Since you have dialogue with Len at Rags, would like to know how Central City ran an 11 on Rags in his last start(Grade 3 sprint at Kee)
TG and Beyer,adjusted, have Central City running that race a TG 3,whereas a Rags 11 translates to a TG/converted Beyer of TG 7 1/2.Was it an input mistake?
Subsequently on Sat,Central City led every step in the BC turf sprint and finished 2nd and probably paired.Will be interested to see the Rags fig for Central City\'s BC race.
Would appreciate any info from Len or informed Raggie.
Mike
Miff-- I considered mentioning that one in my original post. One of many I let go. Seriously, I would love to see them post their sheets for the BC.
Meanwhile, on a board where people who hit anything post about it, and congratulate Friedman even for short price winners, there are exactly two guys who have posted about hitting ANY BC races, and one of them said after day one that if he had another day like that one he was done using Ragozin. Which leads me to believe either a) they didn\'t sell any BC sheets online, or b) the guys who bought them got shellacked, to use the president\'s term.
JB,
While on the subject of Rags, is it true that they believe that there is no such thing as a dead rail or any biases at all. I remember a Raggie telling me as much but never knew if in fact it is one of their theories/beliefs.
Mike
TGJB,
That is extremely misleading information.
You know Chuckles the Clown is on their board and CTC has hit every Derby since 1961 and 90% of the Breeders cup races as well.
jimbo66 Wrote:
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> TGJB,
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> That is extremely misleading information.
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> You know Chuckles the Clown is on their board and
> CTC has hit every Derby since 1961 and 90% of the
> Breeders cup races as well.
What\'s crazy jimbo is that dude was born in 1962. I wonder how he got the information out?? Aw never mind.
Miff-- I don\'t know what they believe now, they basically did not when I was there. They are dogmatic to the extreme. Fundamentalists.
With a strike rate like that...it\'s a split decision to CTC over NYC....
Unfortunately with TAP having the hot early Derby favorite, the Rag board will be
subjected to 5 months of the Clown\'s rants about the \"Dead Pletchers\".
That\'s just fine. I can stay away from that board for 5 months without breaking a sweat.
What will I miss -- 15 posts?
CTC has been trashing Uncle Mo for 2 months and drooling about betting against him in the Juvenile, we may not see him for a while.
Mike, by the way, it wasn\'t just Central City. 3 of the top 4 finishers in the Turf Sprint came out of that race at Keeneland that Ragozin had silly slow-- they had Chamberlain Bridge coming off an 8.
Still, the best one is Awesome Feather getting a 19 for winning a stake at Calder (our 7 1/2).
After the way Eskendreya, Rule, Super Saver and Mission Impazible fell apart this year, I wouldn\'t be surprised to see Pletcher go straight from the Count Fleet or Hutchenson to the Derby with Mo.
Ok, I\'d be a little surprised, but I don\'t think you will see him more than twice before the Derby, and only once at 2 turns.
JB,
Equally bad was AF\'s last win with a RAGS 11(translated,equals 7 1/2 on TG).On your stuff and Beyer she had like paired 4\'s and out of Calder, my strongest opinion of the weekend.In my interpretation a mini layover factoring in other racing stuff.
AW just sold for $2million plus at the Kee sale. Wish I owned a few nickle bred 2yr old filly\'s with Rag 11\'s!
Mike
MO is tentatively scheduled to have only two preps before the derby if everything goes ok. Not a futures guy, but MO should drive up all the other prices.Interesting comment by Ramon Dominguez stating that Boys Of Toscanova lost the \"battle\" with Mo but not the war,wishful thinking?
MO was rumored to be pulling in the mornings but dispelled any rumor by settling off the speed and finishing with authority. Already fast enough to win the derby(TG/BEYER)it becomes a matter of soundness/resiliency. Looks to be a loper that will run all day and has solid physical attributes.
Need a few knocks on MO in the coming months before going after this 800 lb gorilla.Wonder what the odds are that he even makes it to the gate on the first Saturday in may.
Mike
Another plus is no indication anyone was using anything at the BC, far as I can see so far.
Two preps,interesting.
For spacing and distance reasons, I would guess that means Whirlaway to Wood or Hutchenson to Florida Derby.
I don\'t think he will try FOY to Florida Derby or Gotham to Wood with this one.
Jerry I was at Len\'s seminar and bought your entire $50 package. If you need proof I posted last week thanking you for your picks. I also have all the Rags and the entry sheet Len hands out at the seminar. Your numbers were better, your analysis was better and anyone who denies is should be considered delusional. I hate all the negative back and forth between the people involved. The sheets have always been fun to me and I go to all of Len\'s NY seminar because I love watching it live as opposed to on my computer. I would love for you to do your seminars live and hope you do because this is the only good that will ever come out of this debate. If Len and Vito can\'t admit you bested him this time, it is a waste of time to even talk about it. Maybe this gets me banned from the sheets website but I will never back away from the truth. Thanks again I killed them in the Breeders Cup and really had fun handicapping and betting the races. Stay humble and keep up the good work E
Article in DRF mentions NY owner Mike Repole wishing MO could stay in NY and prep at Aqueduct for the TC, obviously won\'t happen.Things could change with a horseS schedule for many reasons.What I glean is \"they\" are thinking TC and are looking for MO not to be over the top by June.
Wow, what speculation with any horse,much less a 2yr old who maybe already ran too fast.
Mike
Colin 12 wrote:
\"Jerry...Stay humble and keep up the good work\"
I think I would go with \"Become humble.\"
Mike - Wouldn\'t you be thinking TC if you had a horse like MO? Not saying that a million things couldn\'t happen between now and then or the possibility that he\'s already peaked but I would certainly be planning on how to best position him for a run.
Bet,
Sure, but I think Tricky(Boys of TOS running 0\'s) and Mott(To Honor and Serve last ran app a TG 2)and others will be making plans too.
I just meant it was premature imo to \"already\" plan a two race prep. MO likely to change physically over the next few months, like many others,which could call for different prep schedule.Guess if it all falls in place, one race at GP then the Wood.
Can imagine owner Repole dreaming big and has every right given what this horse has shown so far.Think he will receive best TG fig of any 2yr old ever as a careful look shows him 2-3 wide on both turns.
Mike
You beat me to that one-- I was going with \"Humble? Moi\"?
Colin-- we wouldn\'t do as much business if we did it live, we used to do it that way. 522 people bought the seminar, way up from last year (351). What\'s interesting is that splitting it the way we did and charging for the components separately, almost half (240) just took the seminar, not the data. That was pretty eye opening-- there\'s clearly a market out there of people who recognize that we have something of value, but don\'t want (or can\'t) use the data themselves. Not exactly sure what to do with this info (yet).
As far as the debate goes, some of those guys will never switch or even give a serious look, but some will. That\'s why we post the seminar and full sheets with the numbers, and people should be able to figure out why the other guys don\'t. Presumably it will register with at least a few guys that one side is afraid of comparison, and one is not, and not just this time. We put the the data in the Red Board Room every day, we put up a ROTW, they do neither.
TGJB.
I bought the pre-entries for my data (off the DRF top 10), and then the seminar. Filled in the gaps based on my notes from earlier in year (e.g. Musket Man) and Beyers. Wasn\'t worth it for me to re-buy data for a few extra sheets. Not sure if you calculated those folks into the way you looked at the BC purchases.
We counted them in total BC revenue (up about 25%), but separate from the seminar count.
Will Mott and Tricky also be running those at GP? Could make for an interesting end of winter.
I never try to tell people how to run their business and if you had those kind of sales I would stick to selling it online as well. Rags got 70 or so people to the city seminar. I\'m a stokbroker and after any paricularly smart move I try to remember to stay humble. It has saved me a lot of money over the years. all the best E