When was the last time they were maybe throw-outs in the Travers?
According to Steve Crist this was in 1987 but seriously that was a GREAT crop and those horses caught a bad track on Travers Day!
Super Saver and Ice Box are not Alysheba and Bet Twice. This is looking like a fluke Derby with the real horses like Lookin at Lucky (nightmare trip) and Paddy and Sydney (better on Turf) was a wierd one!