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Title: Delaware Oaks numbers
Post by: Deadrockstar on August 21, 2010, 10:27:12 AM
Jerry --

Question on the Delaware Oaks figures. Andy Serling and Steve Crist discussed the race on the Spa TV show (Alas I am not there but saw it at Laurel.)

Evidently, the race came up very fast relative to the 1 1/16 races held just prior to the Oaks. Taken at face value, the winner\'s figure would have been like a 115 Beyer and all of the horses who finished behind would have had jump-up tops.

Instead, Beyer massaged the figure and used a subsequent Monmouth race to see if it was in line.

What did you do with the race? It doesn\'t look like Ragozin broke the race out, giving Blind Luck a 1 and Havre De Grace a 7.5 pnt new top. (I bought Rags because you only sell simulcast books at Lrl)
Title: Re: Delaware Oaks numbers
Post by: TGAB on August 21, 2010, 01:10:26 PM
Check out the Red Board room tomorrow.
Title: Re: Delaware Oaks numbers
Post by: alm on August 21, 2010, 03:11:36 PM
Looks like it was a legitimate race.
Title: Re: Delaware Oaks numbers
Post by: TGJB on August 23, 2010, 08:31:10 AM
Dead-- Delaware Oaks day had a sealed, sloppy track, and track speed was all over the place. I did a lot of stuff with the day, gave BL a neg 1/2. That was the easy part.

If Ragozin actually kept to dogma and the track speed constant, he gave out some incredibly slow figures for the 3 routes surrounding the Oaks. My guess is he did not. When it\'s as extreme as that they adjust, at least somewhat. Friedman and I had a whole back and forth about the races following the Smarty Belmont, when the track got astoundingly slow (like 10 points) with no weather change. He rationalized it by saying there was more time between races.

No, usually when they get in trouble it\'s when the change is NOT as extreme-- 3-4 points or less.