Is Rachel\'s Sheet around for viewing? I looked in the Archives and didn\'t see it, but that doesn\'t mean anything -- I\'m terrible at looking for stuff.
I have this crazy idea that I want to compare RA\'s figs for 2009 to Zenyatta\'s. Worth it, or waste of time?
If you are willing to put the numbers in their proper context, not a waste of time.
Sheets for R & Z
Thank you.
wow that makes it more clear why rachel did not run in the breeders cup. its quite clear she loved the poly by the 4 point top after rest as a 2 year old. however she had no chance in the breders cup so they opted the easy way out.
dont run.
Basket - that\'s the best sheet read I\'ve ever seen. I\'m assuming you\'re joking.
HP
The RA sheet looks very similar to the Summer Bird sheet.
Kind of hard to vote for Z for HOY if you\'re going off that data alone!
If you want to debate on what they\'ve accomplished their entire careers, OK, Zenyatta has an awful lot going for her,and she really is one of the all-time greats (male or female) just in terms of consistency alone, but off those sheets, hard to make a strong case for Z this year, compared with Rachel.
Entire career is a separate question from HOTY. Of course she\'s going to the Hall Of Fame based on her entire career.
Bill Finley wrote a polite piece saying Rachel should be HOTY for Thoroughbred Daily News, they got hate mail (seriously). Wait until those people see tommorrow\'s edition with what I wrote (TDN saw what I wrote here and asked me to turn it into a letter to the editor).
You were not so polite as Finley?
Can you post it here after it runs in TDN?
You mean can Paul post it here. Shoot him an email tomorrow morning.
That was the royal \"you\". OK.
Thanks for putting these up. Seeing both of these up next to other side-by-side pretty much tells you all you need to know.
Too much...since when is HOTY is not decided by TG numbers? No knock on TG, but this is not what they look at and everyone who posts here must be aware of that simple fact.
HP
The more I post here the more I harkin back to a comment attributable to the late great Judge Roy Bean,
\"We are going to give the man a fair trial and then we are going to hang him.\"
Where did I say this one deserved anything over the other one. How about when you put these two Sheets side-by-side you are looking at TWO of the All-time greats. How about when you put these two Sheets side-by-side the Synthetic numbers are slower than the dirt. May not mean the horse is slower just the performance figure is.
I feel pretty confident this is what meant but go ahead and hang me........
I\'m sure that the voters do not look at numbers but there would seem to be a correlation between very fast consistent winning horses and Eclipse Awards.
Z and RA were both extremely consistent horses.RA ran more often, ran a few exceptionally fast races,shippped, destroyed her peers, hooked and beat top/fast 3yr colts and older horses.Z fans should check out where horses finished who dared to hook Rachel early.Check the facts/replays before you blow nonsense.
Last post for me on this, it would be a travesty and a fraud if RA is not sole HOTY.Z is fantastic but just had bad timing to run up against a 3 yr filly who is incomparable.
Mike
While we are playing armchair trainer / owner / whatever, and have the Sheets of these two tremendous athletes side by side, why not move ahead to the hypothetical Match Race That Will Never Happen.
(Or, Races, plural.)
Using TG, who wins a Match Race at:
* 9 panels on synthetic (fine, Pro-Ride at SA)?
* 9 panels on...fast dirt at...well, Rachel doesn\'t seem to really have a \"home court\" the way Zenyatta does, does she? She\'s raced at Churchill 6 times, use that track I guess.
* 1 1/16 miles on fast dirt at Oaklawn -- the only track over which both have raced.
Can I open a giant can of worms, or what? Happy Friday, everybody!
Silver - if they hung you would it stop you from posting? (Joking).
Miff - I\'d lay odds this is not your last post on this.
It\'s just INEXHAUSTIBLE as a subject! At this point I\'d rather see them give HOY to the horse that wins the next maiden claimer at Aqueduct.
HP
HP -- you\'re complaining? I\'m baffled.
We aren\'t going to see something like this again for a loooong time -- that these two fantastic, accomplished female animals came along and did what they did in the SAME YEAR is mind-boggling.
Some of us are enthralled by this stuff. Please don\'t pee in our Post Toasties while it plays out.
Thank you.
Watching the two horses race is one thing. Reading ENDLESS posts about this...repeating the same few points over and over again...over what is, in this case, an utterly meaningless award (the HOY will not have ANY impact on the value of either one of these horses - nor will it end the argument!).
I suppose you\'re right. If it floats your boat, sail away my friend!
Enjoy...
HP
JB, will you post it here? I\'d like to read it.
I\'m curious, RA at oaklawn ran a -0 and the comment was \"never asked\". Zen, at Oakland ran a -1. What was the comment? Thanks in advance.