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Title: Could lightening strike twice for Baffert in the Derby?
Post by: derby1592 on March 24, 2003, 05:09:04 PM
Senor Swinger Sold to Bob and Beverly Lewis; Heading to Baffert Barn

\"You have to throw that race out,\" Baffert said. \"He\'s going to be a good horse, but he does have to make a big turnaround. We\'ve got to turn him around by 20 lengths.\"

Certainly seems possible to me. Maybe Baffert can borrow Bobby Frankel\'s blinkers (that I think Bobby must have gotten from Oscar)...

I had given up on my future book 1 bet on Senor Swinger but it looks like there is still a glimmer of hope.

Chris
Title: Re: Could lightening strike twice for Baffert in the Derby?
Post by: bdhsheets on March 25, 2003, 12:00:32 AM
Baffy really didn\'t do that much with War Emblem, everyone thinks he did. He inherited a horse that already was running 1\'s. Senor Swinger is at the 5 level. Can he perform some greater \"magic\", I\'m guessing no.

\'sheets

Title: Re: Could lightening strike twice for Baffert in the Derby?
Post by: Marc At on March 25, 2003, 12:12:27 PM
Chris,

As you know, if Senor Swinger wins the Derby, it will be in his 5th career start. This hasn\'t happened in a little while.
Title: Re: Could lightening strike twice for Baffert in the Derby?
Post by: derby1592 on March 25, 2003, 04:52:43 PM
Marc and Bdsheets,

Don\'t get me wrong. All I said is that my future bet now has a \"glimmer of hope.\" I am not suggesting that I plan to double up on the bet now that he is in the Baffert barn.

But, like him or not, you have to admit that Baffert is the best at getting 3yos to peak on Derby day.

It is true that Senor Swinger\'s top is currently only 4.75 and that he ran a disappointing Fla Derby but consider the following:

- He ran a 5 in the first start of his life and going 2 turns (that is faster than any race Empire Maker and Peace Rules had ever run prior to their most recent race)

- He backed that up with a 4.75 in his second start

- He is lightly raced young 3yo with only 2 starts

- He has yet to make a forward move

- He has had almost 4 months since his first start

- He switches to the barn of the most successful trainer of Derby horses

- He is probably healthy (I have to believe he got an exam and a clean bill of health before the purchase)

Maybe I am just being optimistic but that sure sounds like a potentially explosive horse to me.

I don\'t think it would be that much of a shock to see Senor Swinger improve 5 pts in his next two starts (one prep and then the Derby), which gives him a outside shot at the roses.

A stretch but certainly not impossible. If nothing else, the purchase probably increases the chance that he will at least make it into the Derby starting gate.

It will be interesting to see where he runs next and how he performs.

You never know...

Chris
Title: Re: Could lightening strike twice for Baffert in the Derby?
Post by: bdhsheets on March 25, 2003, 08:18:28 PM
\"I don\'t think it would be that much of a shock to see Senor Swinger improve 5 pts in his next two starts (one prep and then the Derby), which gives him a outside shot at the roses.

A stretch but certainly not impossible. If nothing else, the purchase probably increases the chance that he will at least make it into the Derby starting gate.

It will be interesting to see where he runs next and how he performs.

You never know...

Chris\"

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I wish you nothing but good luck with your future bet, however, Baffy has to be careful where he places SS so that he comes up with enough Graded stakes money to get to the starting gate. In what is shaping up as a tough SA Derby, he\'d need a minimum 3rd place finish to have a shot earnings wise ($90k). It looks as though Domestic Dispute, Kafwain, Buddy Gil, Ocean Terrace, Ministers Wildcat, Logician, Atswhat.... the last three are desperate for Graded $.

\'sheets