Anybody notice the following in Crist\'s piece on the Hall of Fame --
\"During a break in the proceedings, I ran into Baffert outside the ceremonies, where he had just watched a video tribute to another inductee and one of the best horses he trained, Silverbulletday. The champion 2-year-old filly of 1998 and champion 3-year-old filly of 1999 won 15 of 23 career starts in 25 months, running at 10 different tracks in three different time zones.
\"I\'d almost forgotten how much she ran,\" he said, shaking his head in admiration of her. \"That\'s how we used to do it. Wayne [Lukas] always told me that - run \'em when they\'re good. Nowadays you\'ve got some guy in an office in New York telling you to wait 10 weeks to run them so they don\'t bounce.\"\"
this is true if ro parra owned rachel she would run every 8-10 weeks based on the cookie-cutter sheets method, ONE SIZE FITS ALL!!!
Praising with faint damn......In using DWL\'s \"run-em while they\'re good\" statement, BB pretty much shows the value of sheet-maker\'s product. How many expensive, talented young horses did Lukas break down?
Blind Switch Wrote:
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> Praising with faint damn......In using DWL\'s
> \"run-em while they\'re good\" statement, BB pretty
> much shows the value of sheet-maker\'s product. How
> many expensive, talented young horses did Lukas
> break down?
Exactly..Lukas destroyed many very good horses and continues to do it..
Blind,
You are on a slippery slope re Lukas,imo. Horses do not present breakdown on a piece of paper,it\'s mainly random.JB has spotted a few in his crystal ball,however.These horses are under scrutiny of trained vets and horsemen on a daily basis. Sometimes trainers will press down too much on a young horse and ruin it.Some trainers closely monitor TG/RAGS figs and will back off on a horse if the figs are too fast, regardless of whether the horse seems tired or not.
Jerkens/Lukas and and many others believe that you run a horse who is doing well regardless of spacing or his last figure.You cannot keep a horse razor sharp indefinitely and letting one down(resting) does not guarantee a return to sharp form.I feel you have to be real careful of huge gut wrenching efforts which are too fast for the current physical attributes of the young horse.
Most horses present fatigue when they ran too hard and need extra time to recover. It\'s the ones that come out \"great\" but are still sitting on an unexpected implosion.
Mike
miff Wrote:
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> Blind,
>
> You are on a slippery slope re Lukas,imo. Horses
> do not present breakdown on a piece of paper,it\'s
> mainly random.JB has spotted a few in his crystal
> ball,however.These horses are under scrutiny of
> trained vets and horsemen on a daily basis.
> Sometimes trainers will press down too much on a
> young horse and ruin it.Some trainers closely
> monitor TG/RAGS figs and will back off on a horse
> if the figs are too fast, regardless of whether
> the horse seems tired or not.
>
> Jerkens/Lukas and and many others believe that you
> run a horse who is doing well regardless of
> spacing or his last figure.You cannot keep a horse
> razor sharp indefinitely and letting one
> down(resting) does not guarantee a return to sharp
> form.I feel you have to be real careful of huge
> gut wrenching efforts which are too fast for the
> current physical attributes of the young horse.
>
> Most horses present fatigue when they ran too hard
> and need extra time to recover. It\'s the ones that
> come out \"great\" but are still sitting on an
> unexpected implosion.
>
>
> Mike
M-
The slope is firm. I don\'t think I over-generalized this at all, and quite to the contrary, I was referring to many 2-year-olds under his tutelage that were spotted aggressively on short rest, got hurt and never ran again.
Proud Citizen would be an example of what I think you are referring to and I would not use that to illustrate my point. That kind of stuff just happens.
Good luck.
M
Blind,
You are leaving out the fact that Lukas is one of the most acomplished trainers in history, with young horses.Soundness and resiliency is what determines which ones go on, for the most part.
Mike
Lukas has had the most impressive 2 year old debuters at Churchill this past Spring/Summer. Just about every one of them has regressed this summer under the weight of too many races. (Soundman is one that comes to mind).
First of all, I get along with Baffert, and congratulate him on his long overdue selection to the HOF. We got friendly during VG/Real Quiet, and when I was at DMR a couple of weeks ago he grabbed me on the staircase to ask me what one of his 2yos ran in his debut.
As for his comment, I will just point you to Baffert\'s record on short rest compared to all other spacing. He has a bunch in today at sar and DMR, look it up. The assumption that being in the barn with the horse NECESSARILY gives you insight is misleading. They almost always look great after they run well, doesn\'t mean they\'ll run well when you run them back.
And Miff- Jerkens has a couple in today at Sar as well. Check out his record on less than 11 days compared to all other spacing-- over 194 starts.
JB no real diaagreement with anything you said other than the
\"Long overdue induction into the Hall of Fame\"
How many years has he been eligible when he was passed over?