Pickup up a copy of Post Time this weekend and between the pictures of publisher Gene Stevens there was an excellent article on the success those horses had in 1998. The primary theme was how Distorted Humor is off to such a good start as a stallion and appears to have a very good future for his current owner Winstar Farm. Also with Victory Gallop being a son of Cryptoclearance, the same sire as BC Classic winner Volponi, this is going to be a stallion in demand.
Thinking back that really was some year with Distorted Humor a track record settor at Churchill Downs going 7 furlongs, after having demolished a good field in the Commonwealth Breeders Cup at Keeneland.
Victory Gallop, later in the day, was a poorly ridden second in the Ky Derby. Then was a properly ridden winner of the Belmont Stakes.
DaHoss being a gelding has no stallion career but now that he has been given a five year freshening maybe Dickenson can bring him back again this fall for another BC Mile win. What is he now about 13?
As far as the owners go, the people at Prestonwood and Winstar are the some of the classiest people around. The comparison really becomes quite embarrassing when you go the other board and the best they have to offer after being in the business all these years is \"Hot Wells\". What a joke.
But then again not really because the joke is on the customers of the other product. You see Hot Wells was also owned by a borderline hustler, Mike Warren who was banned from the Belmont Stakes with Hot Wells. Warren in case you have forgotten is the same guy who sells bad football selections but tells the public he wins 80% of the time.
Hey it just dawned on me, Warren must have taught those guys a thing or two about marketing and the front page graphic is his reward.
PT Barnum was correct, \"There is a sucker born every minute\".
I can\'t imagine why The Sheets wouldn\'t want to publicize it\'s connection to Mike Warren.
Jay Richards
Las Vegas Review Journal 6/19/1998
-- TOUT TROUBLES -- Michael Warren Lasky, better known as mega-tout Mike Warren, made the headlines recently when his colt, Hot Wells, was forced to withdraw from the Belmont Stakes because the owner has been denied licensing in New York since 1982 due to egregious tout activities.
But that\'s the least of his problems, according to the Los Angeles Times:
\"Whatever Lasky, 53, wins on the track might not be his later. He was the founder of the Psychic Friends Network -- the one that featured Dionne Warwick on television -- and his bankrupt company has filed for protection from creditors in Maryland.
\"In another case, a Baltimore judge has ruled in favor of a bank that charged Lasky with fraud after he obtained more than $6 million in loans and credit lines.\"
If Lasky\'s so-called psychic friends were any more accurate than his horse and sports predictions, wouldn\'t you suppose they could have forewarned him of his future failings?
Like I said, \"Birds of a feather.....
Hilarious!! To imply that TG clients have been more successful than those of the Sheets is one of the most absurd things I have ever read. Niall, Stidham, Amoss, Bailey and Ron Anderson, etc. would be quite surprised to hear your analysis. Too funny!!
Next time please give us an example that isn\'t five or ten years old. If you haven\'t noticed, TG has run out of suckers to fleece and he has lost most of the older clients. TG\'s most recent clients are out selling pencils to pay for the training bills on those stiffs Poppa recommended.
It is obvious to everyone here that if you don\'t kiss JB\'s tushie you get deleted so I\'m going to try and use this forum to help him. There are a lot of people concerned about him since his frustrations are becoming more evident. An intervention might be the only thing to save him. Please, HP and Silver Charm, we know you are VERY close to him - help him to help himself.
Popeye--
Took down some of your nonsense and will take down more, but when you set me up like this I have to take advantage.
From 1998 on alone some of the highlights have been:
Victory Gallop wins Belmont
Da Hoss wins BC Mile (again)
Distorted Humor sets track records in consecutive starts while winning graded stakes at Kee and CD
The following year, VG wins the Whitney etc. and is champion older horse
Bet Me Best wins the Hutcheson
2001-- Pompei wins a grade 1 in first start after purchase
License Fee wins a mess of graded stakes
2002-- Distorted Humor is leading first crop sire
Yesterday-- Victory Gallop 2yo sells for $525k
But look-- I look forward to the Ragozin office posting the equivalent of the 5 year study found on this site.
Jim, this is how it works-- because the Ragozin office does not have ANY (let alone a comparable) record of success in advising on purchases, they instead sell raw data, cheap, to everyone who will pay $25. This is not an exaggeration-- the trainers and owners you mention order and use the stuff the same way they use DRF pp\'s, which you can also get from customer service for any horse you are interested in buying. I get abut 2 calls a week from people who say they \"are just curious\" or \"just want to get a sheet on a horse\" or \"just want the last number\" or \"can get it from Ragozin\".
If the Ragozin office did their horseman business the way I do, restricting the flow of information and charging commissions, they would do zero business-- they don\'t have the record to justify it. Hard to come up with an accurate ratio since there is an apples/oranges aspect, but they charge maybe 5% of what we do.
Yeah, my asking Silver Charm if he was entering the local contest this weekend at Gulfstream was horrible. You were right to pull it down. Give me a break! What in the world was wrong with that string???? I see the dating game and dinner reservations bantered about here weekly. If you don\'t kiss butt here, you don\'t get to post, that much is clear!
I know the arguments weren\'t going well for the lackeys, but did you have to delete the whole string? I guess since there was mention of another top horseman using the The Sheets it had to be pulled.
As far as how you handle your flow of information, you don\'t restrict JACK. You give away as much as you can for as little as you can to try to undercut The Sheets. Funny thing is, you are a better marketing tool for The Sheets than anything they could dream up. You draw them in with your knock-off product and they learn about the better product, The Sheets, and switch over. Keep up the good work.
You\'ll be happy to know this is my last post here. Unlike you, I can walk away when my views are censored.
JIM
Since you are leaving (right) I will answer this. I posted a new board policy a week or two ago, the gist of which is that I will answer and/or leave up any posts/attacks that are of any significance to issues of figure making or handicapping (which means I will be dealing with the kind of stuff Friedman does not). To my recollection, in all your posts here you have never once made a post of this kind, but if at any time you want to you are more than welcome.
I\'ve been taking down stuff that clutters up the board or is just static, like most of your posts. The way our board is set up newer posts push older ones out of immediate sight, which means that I have to keep re-posting important ones like the one about the discussion with the NYRA track superintendent. I took down posts from TG customers as well. I\'m trying to keep the board under control while not becoming a Nazi, so when the posts are isolated or not as much other stuff is going on I\'ll be more inclined to leave them up.
Finally this, given your tone of outrage-- your friend Friedman has deleted hundreds of posts that had no offensive content whatsoever, but were direct on-point questions-- he deleted over 20 about Touch Of The Blues ground loss in the BC alone. I have never, to my knowledge, deleted one on-point comment or question.
Hi Jerry,
I don\'t understand why you didn\'t just delete these new posts from Ghost of Jerry Jr. in the first place. It doesn\'t seem consistent with the new policy.
idea for you-- why not set up a separate section of the site for posts like your Jerry Porcelli report (an interesting read, by the way)? Whether it\'s that one or the ones that more explicitly zing Ragozin that you\'ve felt the need to re-post, a separate section devoted to these posts might be a little more helpful to those who are interested, as opposed to the clumsiness of re-posting all the time...
We have talked about exactly this-- Paul wants to do it, and we may. I guess it would mean pointing everyone to new posts there, and not allowing replies there-- they would stay here.
I got in late today, and started dealing with posts almost right away. I left one of Jim\'s posts because he set me up and because it had been up for a while, so people might have read it and thought I was ducking something if I just deleted it.
The problem with all this noise is that it distracts from truly important stuff-- take a look at the times for the General George and Fritchie, which were consecutive races on the Laurel card. When things quiet down I\'ll be discussing them and posting sheets.
\"Shoot if you must this old gray head, but spare your countries flag, she said\". Free set of sheets to the first to post who said it, to whom they said it, and what he did about it.
B. Fritchie to Gen. S Jackson when Confed forces marched on Frederick, Md.
Jackson then spared the flag and the town of Frederick.
In the unlikely event you want sheets e-mail the office and we\'ll e-mail them to you.
TGJB wrote,
\"take a look at the times for the General George and Fritchie, which were consecutive races on the Laurel card. When things quiet down I\'ll be discussing them and posting sheets.\"
OK, I looked and there was what a 2 3/5 second difference with X-tra Heat being the slower of the two divisions. I actually tried to watch the races live but the fog was so bad you couldn\'t see anything.
Also on that same day there were two split divisions of maidens run at Gulf. A Pletcher horse won the first half and ran-off from the field in 123.53. The next division was in 121.89 with two horses close at the wire. Did you guys see anything there?
As far as deleted posts go I\'m drawing away from the field after the opening quarter. I can adjust.
Another Sales Topper for Victory Gallop at the just concluded March Barretts Two Year Old in Training sale. This two year-old went for $400,000.00, fifth highest price at the premier two year-old in training sale in the world. The following website lists all hips who went through the sale where the buyers were obviously very picky.
http://www.barretts.com/sresults/rs1mar03.htm
On a lighter note Ragozin Sheets guru Len Friedman was asked about the two year-old colt and had this to say, “We thought he looked great on “Sheets”. His 1/8th of a mile in training work was so fast I gave him a 6, the same number I gave Chilukki. He was my top condition play and we are advising all our players to look for him to breakout to a new top the next time he runs. His Stallion stats were very solid but his Trainer stats looked absolutely downright super. That was another reason why I like him so much. Victory Gallop looks like the best new sire we have seen in a long time.”
Ragozin lackey and Friedman yesman Jake Hardoon said, “We are notifying all our customers they can buy online an individual “Sheet” of all sons and daughters of Victory Gallop at our standard rate of $35.00 per Sheet. Rubber band not included.”
Do you know if there are any hot looking sons and daughters of both Victory Gallop and Distorted Humor in the upcoming Keeneland Two Year in Training Sale?
As part of the Mr. Prospector family tree the sky is the limit with these two.
Also, Thorograph should have quite a bit of insight going forward on the best two year olds because of these two sires.
Hip #3 at the upcoming Keeneland 2 YO in training sale.
This filly looks like she has the goods. Classic stamina on top with speed on the bottom.
A 1/2 to salty sprinter Mellow Fellow.
http://www.keeneland.com/sales/Apr03/pdfs/3.pdf
Post Edited (03-31-03 14:18)
TGJB,
You guys are in the zone right now.
http://www.bloodhorse.com/auctions/viewstory.asp?id=15031
The Thorograph operation is rapidly spreading world wide. Momentum is building, and the competition is now having to spread more propoganda than the Iraqi PR guy. (You know the Buddy Gil grass number/Rags line is accurate BS).