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Title: Dead Turf Rail on Derby Day
Post by: Caradoc on May 06, 2009, 06:49:24 AM
Why did Lemon Chiffon and Proudinsky get the dead rail notation, but Visit and Court Vision did not?  All of them had 1w1w trips.
Title: Re: Dead Turf Rail on Derby Day
Post by: covelj70 on May 06, 2009, 06:59:37 AM
I will tell you why, because I bet the crap out of Lemon Chifon and Proudinsky and I didn\'t bet the other two :)
Title: Re: Dead Turf Rail on Derby Day
Post by: TGJB on May 06, 2009, 07:57:47 AM
The course was drying out and speeding up some, didn\'t seem to make a difference late in the day. Only reason I did it with such a small sample is that turf horses are so consistent-- would not have done it with a dirt rail.
Title: Re: Dead Turf Rail on Derby Day
Post by: Caradoc on May 06, 2009, 08:04:19 AM
Okay, but why would one horse in a race get the notation, but another horse in the same race running in the same path not get it?
Title: Re: Dead Turf Rail on Derby Day
Post by: TGJB on May 06, 2009, 08:58:49 AM
One spent more time inside than the other-- Court Vision swung out turning for home.
Title: Re: Dead Turf Rail on Derby Day
Post by: Silver Charm on May 06, 2009, 11:21:17 AM
Caradoc Wrote:
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> Why did Lemon Chiffon and Proudinsky get the dead
> rail notation,

I feel a lot better now. I had BIG MONEY on both those two......
Title: Re: Dead Turf Rail on Derby Day
Post by: Caradoc on May 06, 2009, 11:43:59 AM
So was the dead rail in the stretch only? Meaning, if you tipped out at the top of the stretch, no notation, even if you had run on the rail for the first 7f?
Title: Re: Dead Turf Rail on Derby Day
Post by: HP on May 06, 2009, 12:36:53 PM
This reminds me of an old horseplayer joke.

\"The figures were right and I had it nailed, but the horses got it wrong!\"

Maybe Jerry can do a Mid-Day Derby Analysis Supplement where we can log on and get his take on the first few races on the card and make any necessary adjustments...
Title: Re: Dead Turf Rail on Derby Day
Post by: colt on May 06, 2009, 01:16:31 PM
\"The figures were right and I had it nailed, but the horses got it wrong!\"...nice...still lmao.....
Title: Re: Dead Turf Rail on Derby Day
Post by: TGAB on May 06, 2009, 03:43:12 PM
JB is in Toronto at Woodbine, right now. Springsteen beckons. He\'ll respond fully to Caradoc when he returns. The response starts \"It depends\". Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Dead Turf Rail on Derby Day
Post by: Caradoc on May 13, 2009, 04:16:57 PM
I\'m tuned.  Proudinsky, who got the \"X\" designation, is entered on Saturday.  Was there a dead turf rail only in the stretch on Derby Day?
Title: Re: Dead Turf Rail on Derby Day
Post by: TGJB on May 13, 2009, 04:30:27 PM
Tomorrow, I\'m leaving.
Title: Re: Dead Turf Rail on Derby Day
Post by: spa on May 13, 2009, 08:25:32 PM
Mike Smith never left the rail on Lemon C. What piece of work. Is he       going to **** up the derby ride?
Title: Re: Dead Turf Rail on Derby Day
Post by: Lost Cause on May 13, 2009, 11:03:13 PM
spa Wrote:
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> Mike Smith never left the rail on Lemon C. What
> piece of work. Is he       going to **** up the
> derby ride?


Yes, but to be fair, I don\'t think anyone could ride that horse and bring him home a winner in this race.
Title: Re: Dead Turf Rail on Derby Day
Post by: TGJB on May 14, 2009, 09:03:10 AM
In this case it looks like horses that were on the rail around the turn and stayed inside were the ones who suffered. There is no hard and fast rule, and I\'m sure we miss some.