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Title: UK Data
Post by: congaree1 on March 17, 2009, 06:48:13 AM
Can\'t wait for this product. I\'m sure you guys have made a big effort to make them available. Since I mainly bet turf racing, I am looking forward in finding an edge in the Euros. Jerry, what pools are available to bet the UK? Are they big enough and do they offer rebates?

Thanks
Title: Re: UK Data
Post by: TGJB on March 17, 2009, 10:07:19 AM
Do not know the answer, but Scott Finley runs the US operation of racing UK. He\'s probably going to post something on here later today, but his email is sfinley@tiac.net, and he is encouraging horseplayers to get hold of him. Scott is Bill\'s brother, used to be with George at the Racing Times, he\'s a horseplayer. Those of you who played UK racing in the tent at Saratoga last summer may know him.
Title: Re: UK Data
Post by: congaree1 on March 17, 2009, 10:09:56 AM
Thank you!
Title: Re: UK Data
Post by: paniolo on March 17, 2009, 01:10:34 PM
Two excellent UK sites for racing information on the KY Derby Challenge are www.sportinglife.com and www.timeform.com.
Title: Re: UK Data
Post by: congaree1 on March 18, 2009, 10:44:01 AM
Xpresbet is taking Kempton UK. 65 minutes till post...
Title: Re: UK Data
Post by: Lost Cause on March 18, 2009, 11:04:21 AM
I just called and found out Twinspires also taking it. Kempton park Race 3
Title: Re: UK Data
Post by: elkurzhal on March 18, 2009, 12:24:59 PM
going with close alliance, joddmonte has him nominated to the blue grass & TC.  One race last year was got a decent fig. Most of these are probably taking a flier, I think he\'s been pointed here for a while.  Dam is full sib to derby runner up aptitude.

youbet also taking wagers.
Title: Re: UK Data
Post by: tmon on March 18, 2009, 12:27:32 PM
Williamhill.com radio has free voice commentary of the race. Click on radio an the front page of the site.
Title: Re: UK Data
Post by: tmon on March 18, 2009, 12:29:58 PM
He\'s 5-1 right now in UK betting third choice.
Title: Re: UK Data
Post by: TGJB on March 18, 2009, 12:45:50 PM
I didn\'t do comments on this race, but someone want to tell me why Gosden (Mafaaz) is not 8/5 or shorter? Clearly the most likely winner.

See trainer stats.
Title: Re: UK Data
Post by: tmon on March 18, 2009, 12:51:49 PM
All it can be is talk from the stables. According to a UK trackman Mafaaz looks fit.
Title: Re: UK Data
Post by: magicnight on March 18, 2009, 12:52:35 PM
I like Shampagne. Paired 10s on the synth and Cole is good off a layoff. 9-1.
Title: Re: UK Data
Post by: tmon on March 18, 2009, 12:54:29 PM
Mafaaz paid 11/2 in UK.
Title: Re: UK Data
Post by: tmon on March 18, 2009, 01:05:10 PM
He finished 3rd and went off 20-1. He almost stole the race.
Title: Re: UK Data
Post by: tmon on March 18, 2009, 01:06:53 PM
On course trackman said Close Alliance looked like a very nice colt but probably needed the race.
Title: Re: UK Data
Post by: Michael D. on March 18, 2009, 01:08:55 PM
That\'s a tough beat for Spring of Fame, who\'s bred well for dirt (maybe a tough beat for this whole Ky Derby Challenge idea). Rough trip, comes flying like he\'ll love 10f, but loses a neck to what looks to be a turf/poly horse who may or may not excel going longer.
Title: Re: UK Data
Post by: elkurzhal on March 18, 2009, 01:09:40 PM
both Godsen horses are nominated for the BG, he\'s said he would run prep (run in the Blue Grass) at Keeneland if they won this.  wouldn\'t be shocked to see both show up here.
Title: Re: UK Data race chart
Post by: tmon on March 18, 2009, 01:42:48 PM
Here is a race chart.
http://horses.sportinglife.com/Full_Results/0,12493,299320,00.html
Title: Re: UK Data race chart
Post by: congaree1 on March 18, 2009, 05:00:02 PM
Nice chart and web-sight.
Title: Re: UK Data race chart Numbers guess
Post by: tmon on March 20, 2009, 06:22:12 AM
Using Racingpost RPR numbers, the sheets numbers and race report I would guess the winner ran something near a 7+, second place a 7 and third an 8. So Mafaaz would have a nice pattern  but the Blue Grass will be a very hard race depending upon his opponents.
Title: Re: UK Data race chart Numbers guess
Post by: tmon on April 09, 2009, 05:02:51 PM
Oops boy was I off.
Title: Re: UK Data race chart Numbers guess
Post by: TGJB on April 09, 2009, 05:25:30 PM
There are guys who make their living making figures that get them wrong by a whole lot more than that.

The UK figures mostly don\'t include ground loss, but that one does, since we saw the race. So we might give him a little better than others on that one.

On turf, ground loss matters less in the UK than here, simply because there are less turns (a lot of sprints down straightaways, routes around one turn). All weather is a different story, and we\'re working on it, but it may be next year before we really have it tight.