Took a look at two horses yesterday, both this one\'s for Phil & motovato are coming off negative 4 numbers.
these would rank faster than some of the great horses in history and even put them in big brown or curlin type class.
POP QUIZ: DOES ANYONE REALLY BELIEVE THAT?
jerry please stop your witch hunt and spend your time improving your product!
your method is way out of whack, you need to re-think your scale. negative numbers should be a gold standard not for any piece of junk that comes down the delaware turnpike.
hi - He was a good play against for a number of reasons imo . Had NOT Phil been off such a big number going into Saturday , I would have been much less convinced that he would go back yesterday . . .
Last week, it was:
high roller Wrote:
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> ...what do we get for the ROTW? A $50k stakes
> race at oaklawn. Heaven help us.
This week (coincidentally, when the ROTW analysis is spot on), it\'s:
high roller Wrote:
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> jerry please stop your witch hunt and spend your
> time improving your product!
>
> your method is way out of whack, you need to
> re-think your scale. negative numbers should be a
> gold standard not for any piece of junk that comes
> down the delaware turnpike.
Nice whipsaw action you\'ve got going there, bud: TG can\'t do anything right, according to you. Maybe you should leave here, and join the ragpickers.
Rick B. Wrote:
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> Last week, it was:
>
> high roller Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ...what do we get for the ROTW? A $50k stakes
> > race at oaklawn. Heaven help us.
>
> This week (coincidentally, when the ROTW analysis
> is spot on), it\'s:
>
> high roller Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > jerry please stop your witch hunt and spend
> your
> > time improving your product!
> >
> > your method is way out of whack, you need to
> > re-think your scale. negative numbers should be
> a
> > gold standard not for any piece of junk that
> comes
> > down the delaware turnpike.
>
> Nice whipsaw action you\'ve got going there, bud:
> TG can\'t do anything right, according to you.
> Maybe you should leave here, and join the
> ragpickers.
Some people aren\'t happy unless they\'re miserable, if you know what I mean
Yeah, imagine someone thinking those guys who didn\'t even medal at the last couple of Olympics swam faster than Mark Spitz. Timer must be off.
And by the way, I think proper drug testing will deal with some of the \"scale\" issues. Interesting story on new blood tests for cyclists in yesterday\'s Times, if I get a chance I\'ll post it.
HR,
Hypothetically if Jerry changed his scale and moved it 5 points (for example) and the negative 4\'s became 1s, the same stuff would still happen. This one\'s for Phil would have gotten a 1 (gold standard) and quit like a dog. Horses today are very fast, but also very fragile, which means that its very hard to run extremely fast back to back efforts. Maybe its the horses that are the fraud and not the numbers.
Santa Anita | Posted 3/1/2009, 6:57 pm
The Pamplemousse cruises in Sham
By Jay Privman
\"I\'ve never been on a horse like this, and I\'ve been on some good ones,\" said Solis, who has ridden the likes of Snow Chief and Kona Gold over the years. \"The way he had been training, I expected something like this.\"
The words came freely
in regards to gait
The number wiz
confirmed and up to date
For the Essence
who respects them
has 6k plus
tween wire and geyt
For the Essence and TGandCo.
Let the others hate
Respectfully,
mjs
In the post steroid era of racing does \"the bounce\" become an even bigger handicapping factor?
Boy, I hope so.
Solis also rode a horse called Victory Gallop in the Derby and Travers. And personally got him beat-- VG got the best number in both races by quite a bit.
It\'s funny you mentioned that - A good friend of mine often joked that Solis clock is of the cheap timex version and not that of the Eddie D/high-end Swiss version. Matter of fact is favorite angle to this day is the switch from Solis.
say what you want. but when you see a neg 4 on a 3 year old before june there is free money in the pools.
i\'ll take the numbers without question.
Yeah, Alan and I were talking about that before the FOY. Came up with only Smarty and one or two others that ran neg early and held together.
While anabolic steroids can generate more bounce-producing \"super performances\", will their effect on improving recovery and muscle growth in response to maximum efforts tend to makes bounces less likely? Could they then, by introducing 2 opposite effects, make bounces less predictable?
Bob
It just occurred to me, in answer to my own question, that while anabolic steroids due aid in muscle recovery, they do not have the same positive effect on joint injuries. Studies indicate that they are actually harmful to joints. Since many reactions to big efforts are joint and bone related rather than just muscle soreness, anabolic steroids are likely to increase the likelihood of bounces.
Bob
I disagree with you. I find the Thorograph numbers to be better than any others out there. The problem is that they cant determine barn intent or racing luck. Bobble at the start, have the jockey drop the whip, lose a shoe, etc. They can all kill you. That\'s why I don\'t go around betting horses at low odds. Look at Runforthedoe yesterday at SA. I knew that horse was a lot more live than the 38-1 or so that he went off at. As even Andy Beyer used to say, the figure can\'t determine larcenous intent on the part of the barn. I think we can all come up with examples of where a horse\'s performance was manipulated until the price was right, then the barn would bet. There was a trainer at Saratoga who used to do this every year. She always had some middle of the road looking allowance class grass horse primed and ready on a big day like Travers day in a stakes race. Thorograph numbers are great, but you have to go by more than just the numbers.
TGJB,
I had one of my best Big Cap weekends ever with your product. We hit the baby PK 6 Friday, followed by many winners on Saturday and Sunday. The turf races were spectacular.
Saturday:
3rd-Van Brit 20.40
6th-Apopletic 27.60
9th-Gio POnti 12.80
10th-Einstein 12.00 (dirt race, but a clear choice on TG)
Sunday:
2nd- Power Blitz 7.80
6th- Gorgeous Goose 8.60
8th April Pride $9.00
$20 win parlay returned over $1100.
All of these turf winners were very gettable. Nice dirt winners too with the 5th Sunday, Solo Performance, paying a nice 12 bucks. We also made a 3 horse WP round robin on the 2nd, 5th, and 6th races that returned us over $2000. What a thrilling finish to that race.
Made for a nice flight home.
I don\'t know how you make your turf numbers, and I don\'t care. They are simply amazing.
Maybe if High Roller wasn\'t so \"high\" when he went to the track, he would do better. Is there anybody out there that played SA this weekend who didn\'t score with TG??
Wow. That\'s one way to beat the Synth. Congrats... HP
P-Dub: I agree with you about the turf races. Saturday at Santa Anita was a unique opportunity, considering the quality and sizes of the fields. Hopefully the card on April 4th will be as good. I too liked Apoplectic, but not as much as the runner-up, both of whom were off long layoffs. Nonetheless, the $941 exacta more than made my weekend.
One of the best features about the TG sheets are the trainer profiles. In the Van Brit race, Eduardo Inda stretched out a South American import named Percia Fina after one sprint try. Her effort wasn\'t bad in that sprint race -- she ran a number that would have been competitive in the race Saturday, but the point is that Inda is truly a route trainer: there is a huge discrepancy between his sprint and route stats. So, I figured PF would run really well Saturday, and she did, just missing at 25-1. I didn\'t cash. That was due to my own stupidity by not going deep enough to include Van Brit in the exotics, but that had nothing to do with the quality of the turf numbers or the trainer profiles.
Excellent point about the profiles in addition to the numbers.
I had that exacta for a buck, for the reasons you stated...the profiles and the strength of that sprint number.
HP,
Thats a good one, made me chuckle. I\'ve made create a cards with just turf races because the information is so strong.
The synthetics aren\'t bad to handicap as long asmost of the runners are coming from them or have raced over them. The #5 in the 7th yesterday ran 1 time with the fastest figure in the race. I believe a 11.75. He went off at 18-1, goes to the front, and gets run down by a nice first timer. $84 for the $1 exacta. I don \'t mind the synthetics at all as long as most of the horses come from them.