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Title: Visionaire
Post by: Barry Irwin on August 31, 2008, 07:46:08 AM
FYI, Visionaire will not be sent to the Breeders\' Cup because there is no suitable race for him. Sprint is too short, Mile is not a mile, but a mile plus around two turns. So we will keep him at his home base and run in the Jerome and the Cigar Mile, which make more sense.

Riddle: what is the difference between the BC opting to hold the event at Santa Anita two times in a row and the Republicans opting for Governor Palin?

Answer: the Republicans so far have only given Palin the nod for this election, not the next one, too.

Otherwise both choices have a lot of similarities!
Title: Re: Visionaire
Post by: Rick B. on August 31, 2008, 08:49:59 AM
Barry Irwin Wrote:
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> Riddle: what is the difference between the BC
> opting to hold the event at Santa Anita two times
> in a row and the Republicans opting for Governor
> Palin?
>
> Answer: the Republicans so far have only given
> Palin the nod for this election, not the next one,
> too.
>
> Otherwise both choices have a lot of similarities!

Has the new track at Santa Anita been laid yet?
Title: Re: Visionaire
Post by: ronwar on August 31, 2008, 10:00:09 AM
From listening to the radio this morning, the track has been laid.  It was reported Gary Stevens after taking a couple horses acroos it said it was the best track he\'s ever been on...  HUH???
Title: Re: Visionaire
Post by: hooper on August 31, 2008, 11:24:13 AM
Barry,where are you going with Travers Day winner Aquino? There is a nice $100,000 sprint race at Suffolk on Mass Cap day.
Title: Re: Visionaire
Post by: xichibanx on August 31, 2008, 01:13:24 PM
You have to remember that Stevens is partially employed by Uncle Frank so I doubt he would say anything other than that about his surface.
Title: Re: Visionaire
Post by: Barry Irwin on August 31, 2008, 07:44:31 PM
Probably the Sport Page in late October.
Title: Re: Visionaire
Post by: Halo Fire on August 31, 2008, 07:54:34 PM
Hey Barry,

The sprint is too short for him? Was The Sprint too short for 1) Gulch, 2) Dancing Spree, 3) Lit de Justice, 4) Elmhurst, or 5) Midnight Lute? ALL late running sprinters. Not to mention Honest Lady, A FILLY that ran a fast closing second.

Give us a break, Barry. Run him in the Jerome? After winnig the prestigious grade I King\'s Bishop, I would figure that the great Team Valor Stable would have larger aspirations than the Jerome....or do you have no confidence in Visionaire?

If I were a partner in Team Valor, I would insist on a prep in the Ancient Title and then on to The Sprint. However, I\'m not a puppet or a yes man.
Title: Re: Visionaire
Post by: NoCarolinaTony on August 31, 2008, 10:33:13 PM
Lets make it clear. Stevens is fully employed by Frank and HRTV.

Not sure he would lie just to make his employers happy, but it\'s been know to have happened a time or two. Just ask \"ANY\" one of the three Senators running in this election.

The only benefit if any of them get elected to the White House, we have a chance for new blood to replace either of those legacies. Term Limits anyone?

NCT
Title: Re: Visionaire
Post by: ronwar on September 01, 2008, 12:54:07 AM
http://www.ntra.com/content.aspx?type=news&id=34626
Title: Re: Visionaire
Post by: MonmouthGuy on September 01, 2008, 04:38:49 AM
It sounds like the surface is a consideration, too, or he would race him in the Dirt Mile.  But then again, there is no dirt mile this year.....or next year.
Title: Re: Visionaire
Post by: fkach on September 01, 2008, 06:27:23 AM
Barry,

I\'m not sure why you wouldn\'t also consider the Vosburgh.
Title: Re: Visionaire
Post by: Halo Fire on September 01, 2008, 06:29:12 AM
Surface shouldn\'t be part of the equation. Visionaire ran one of his best races up to that point in the Bluegrass.

Without Benny the Bull, the Sprint is wide open. If I owned Visionaire, I would ship, prep in the Ancient Title, and run in the Sprint. If he runs well, you have to make a decision about stud duty or a freshening. If he runs poorly, there is still a bit over thirty days to ship back East and run in The Cigar Mile, where he would be running OFF the poly.
Title: Re: Visionaire
Post by: xichibanx on September 01, 2008, 10:15:17 AM
Tony,

When I said partially employed I meant that Magna owned 49% of HRTV and 51% is owned by CDI.
Title: Re: Visionaire
Post by: NoCarolinaTony on September 01, 2008, 01:06:34 PM
ahhh....i stand corrected
Title: Re: Visionaire
Post by: Barry Irwin on September 01, 2008, 09:32:18 PM
This colt is better over 7 and 8 than 6.
Title: Re: Visionaire
Post by: richiebee on September 01, 2008, 09:44:59 PM
Barry Irwin Wrote:
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> This colt is better over 7 and 8 than 6.


...none of which explains how he beat me at AQ over 8.5 back in March.

Best of luck to you and all TeamV runners for the rest of the year. Who is
going to end up using the NetJets miles? If you and the Visionaire syndicate
members can not decide how to use them, let me mention that my mother in law
will need a lift from Moscow to NY in December.