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Title: ZITO
Post by: jbelfior on August 05, 2008, 04:59:13 AM
Lost in a lot of the post-race discussion is what Nick Zito accomplished with an allowance horse. This reminded me of Shifty Sheikh nearly holding off Hall of Famer Slew O\' Gold, but without the Oscar magic pill.

IMO....this is the best 3yo colt trainer I have ever seen and that includes Woody, Baffert, Lukas, etc.  My reasoning?....these guys all had better stock.


Good Luck,
Joe B.
Title: Re: ZITO
Post by: basket777 on August 05, 2008, 05:35:50 AM
he can get them to perform miracles out of nowhere.

Facinating
Title: Re: ZITO
Post by: JimP on August 05, 2008, 01:39:05 PM
\"Miracles out of nowhere\"? Hmmm!!!
Title: Re: ZITO
Post by: jbelfior on August 05, 2008, 04:16:53 PM
Jim P:


You\'re putting Zito in the same boat as Asmussen, Dutrow, Lake, O\'Neill, or Mullins?  Give me a break!!!


Good Luck,
Joe B.
Title: Re: ZITO
Post by: MO on August 06, 2008, 07:32:53 AM
Luckiest 10 per cent trainer in history.
Title: Re: ZITO
Post by: fkach on August 06, 2008, 10:35:20 AM
>Luckiest 10 per cent trainer in history.<

lol.

I\'ve never been a big FAN of his training because I can rarely guage how any of horses are going to run. That experience is typical for me with very low percentage trainers (and I\'m being generous in calling them low percentage). However, he does seem to have an uncanny ability to get his horses to peak on the right day which IMO IS a sign of some kind of high level competence.
Title: Re: ZITO
Post by: JimP on August 06, 2008, 11:06:00 AM
\"You\'re putting Zito in the same boat as Asmussen, Dutrow, Lake, O\'Neill, or Mullins? Give me a break!!!\"

Actually Joe B, I don\'t recall saying anything about those fine gentlemen or boats. I just find it interesting how different people attribute the causes for surprise results by different trainers.
Title: Re: ZITO
Post by: jbelfior on August 06, 2008, 02:34:42 PM
Jim:


I agree. Some trainers know how to develop a 3 year old through training regimen and conditioning while others rely on more chemical-like methods.


Sort of like the difference between controlling your cholesterol through daily exercise and diet as opposed to taking Lipitor.


Good Luck,
Joe B.
Title: Re: ZITO
Post by: shanahan on August 06, 2008, 04:59:24 PM
jbelfior Wrote:
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> Jim:
>
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> I agree. Some trainers know how to develop a 3
> year old through training regimen and conditioning
> while others rely on more chemical-like methods.
>
>
> Sort of like the difference between controlling
> your cholesterol through daily exercise and diet
> as opposed to taking Lipitor.
>
> Man, that is the best analogy I\'ve heard here on the board in some time...
> Good Luck,
> Joe B.
Title: Re: ZITO
Post by: Boscar Obarra on August 06, 2008, 10:08:43 PM
Could be that Zito has something those other gentleman don\'t.


  subtlety.
Title: Re: ZITO
Post by: miff on August 07, 2008, 06:28:23 AM
\"Could be that Zito has something those other gentleman don\'t\"


.... yeah, wealthy owners named La Penta,Farmer, Reggio,Webber and others that give him numerous well bred expensive high quality babies to work with every year.That plus a dose of good luck helps.

Zito, winning at app 12% generally,a move up trainer, BRILLIANT!.The Kool Aid flows big time on this board.Hmmm, wonder why.


Mike
Title: Re: ZITO
Post by: cubfan0316 on August 07, 2008, 06:36:07 AM
how many zito positives?
Title: Re: ZITO
Post by: miff on August 07, 2008, 07:07:29 AM
Cub,

He had a nano years back,I think, fought it like Pletcher, Lukas,Baffert and several others.They all lose on the trainer responsibility rule( rule changed as a direst result of the RIDICULOUS trace positive of Pletcher years back)

The number of positives for the \"day to day\" stuff is over rated but penalties should still more severe to ensure that trainers are more diligent as to when and how much their horses are treated.

Mike