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Title: Brass Hat tomorrow without Martinez..
Post by: Lost Cause on May 23, 2008, 03:15:07 PM
Tomorrow at CD Brass Hat, Who I have been chasing for a while, switches to a competent ground saving jock named Calvin Borel instead of a horror show, Wide trip loving jockey named Willie Martinez...I have not ordered the sheets yet but I remember only good numbers on this one from previous sheets if everything is good numbers wise, i\'m all in.
Title: Good for Calvin
Post by: Halo Fire on May 23, 2008, 04:16:32 PM
This after he gets unceremoniously excused from Denis of Cork for the Belmont.

He did nothing except give the horse a perfect trip in the derby.
Title: Re: Brass Hat tomorrow without Martinez..
Post by: firmturf on May 23, 2008, 05:05:41 PM
I was at Kee for his last and watched the Trakus numbers after the race. My jaw dropped when I saw how many feet he lost (I think 90+) to the winner of the race that saved ground.
Title: Re: Brass Hat tomorrow without Martinez..
Post by: jbelfior on May 23, 2008, 06:22:23 PM
Absolutley the horse to beat at Churchill tomorrow...add value with SAVE BIG MONEY in the 2 hole.


Good Luck,
Joe B.
Title: Re: Brass Hat tomorrow without Martinez..
Post by: sekrah on May 23, 2008, 08:23:46 PM
I\'m so sick of watching moron jockeys give their horse (most usually the ones I bet on) a crack of the whip to send them 4-5 wide with the leaders in the 1st turn of a 1 1/16th race when they could very easily tuck in behind.

It\'s so repeatedly and blatant.  It must be done very often to \"throw races\" and hide form.

90% of the jockeys out there don\'t have a freaking clue about pace and ground loss.
Title: Re: Brass Hat tomorrow without Martinez..
Post by: sighthound on May 23, 2008, 08:52:39 PM
99% of gamblers have no idea of what it\'s like to try and control 1200 pounds of adrenaline rocketing along at 35mph.
Title: Re: Brass Hat tomorrow without Martinez..
Post by: sekrah on May 23, 2008, 09:09:39 PM
Umm.. My vision isn\'t perfect but I am far from legally blind.

REPEATEDLY I see horses who spot the leaders 2 lengths in a route race and watch, with my own eyes, the jockey crack the whip a couple times and have the horse take off and make it 4 abreast around the turn.  Unless the horse is 5 points superior to everyone in the field, about 2% of the time does that horse end up winning the race.. About 85-90% of the time they miss the board completely.   Jockeys who tuck in behind these leaders and save ground have a FAR better chance of winning the race than the jockey who just spent his horse trying to make up lossed ground from the start.


Save your BS.  It\'s not flying here.
Title: Re: Brass Hat tomorrow without Martinez..
Post by: sighthound on May 23, 2008, 09:24:32 PM
It\'s all a conspiracy.
Title: Re: Brass Hat tomorrow without Martinez..
Post by: Halo Fire on May 23, 2008, 09:31:01 PM
99% of riders have no clue about bias.

99% of riders have no idea that its far worse to lose ground on the FIRST TURN as opposed to the second.

99% of riders have no idea how to handicap their fellow riders\' tendencies.

99% of riders DON\'T have \"a clock in their head\".

You are correct, however, 99% of gamblers have no idea how to control \"1200 pounds of adreneline rocketing along at 35mph\" .....BUT 99% of riders have NO CLUE on how to ride races.
Title: Re: Brass Hat tomorrow without Martinez..
Post by: sekrah on May 23, 2008, 10:02:32 PM
Not all a conspiracy.. I\'m sure there\'s an occaisional shenanigan, but the vast majority of the time it\'s just that the jockeys are absolute complete morons.
Title: Re: Brass Hat tomorrow without Martinez..
Post by: Michael D. on May 24, 2008, 06:17:43 AM
Brass Hat fits - has a bunch of fast figures, and the nice \'2.25\' last. looking at race shapes, Borel should have no problem getting to the rail. traffic from behind in the big field the issue.

Lattice - 114 lbs. 1 hole. has the \'3.75\' top last year. caught behind slow pace last two (flew home at 39 mph last). Northern Dancer and Alluvial behind Rahy below - should get the distance.

Save Big Money - a series of fast figs, most around 1m though. has the \'3.5\' last. 113 lbs. might get the lead here in a race with little pace. don\'t necessarily like at the distance, but could have a valuable tactical edge.

Pickpocket - a rather isolated top of \'3.5\' last, but it was the first start for Mott outside of Fla. gets hot jock. 114 lbs.


box those four, and key Save Big Money at decent odds.
Title: Re: Brass Hat tomorrow without Martinez..
Post by: sekrah on May 24, 2008, 08:21:09 AM
Do not leave out #4 Transduction Gold.   I think he\'s sitting on a big one.
Title: Re: Brass Hat tomorrow without Martinez..
Post by: P-Dub on May 24, 2008, 09:10:54 AM
Sounds like sour grapes.

Horses getting whipped around the FIRST TURN??  Next time you see this, let us know which race and we\'ll check it out.  I don\'t see many if any horses getting whipped around the first turn.

You sound just like the losing poker players I deal with. Its the dealers fault, etc...

Agree with Sight.........tell us all how easy it is to steer a 1200 pd animal @ 35mph thats geared up to compete??

Your broad generalizations make you sound like the moron, sir.
Title: Re: Brass Hat tomorrow without Martinez..
Post by: sekrah on May 24, 2008, 03:06:06 PM
Yikes,,.  Had the exacta a few times but could of had a score of a lifetime (5 figures+) if the 4 hangs on there to win.. AGHHH
Title: Re: Brass Hat tomorrow without Martinez..
Post by: girly on May 24, 2008, 03:12:15 PM
I feel your pain!
Title: Re: Brass Hat tomorrow without Martinez..
Post by: Uncle Buck on May 24, 2008, 07:25:55 PM
I don\'t see how anyone could be happy with Borel\'s ride on Brass Hat today. Big time tactical error being 15 lengths off a :26 & change opening first quarter. Fanned 6 wide on the far turn. Awful
Title: Re: Brass Hat tomorrow without Martinez..
Post by: ronwar on May 24, 2008, 09:26:30 PM
Yea, that sucked. I knew I could toss my tickets after I saw 1:17 for six fourlongs.