Big Brown just got a paid workout for the Belmont. BB has not run his top race yet and it might be coming in the Belmont. He is just much better than a week group of 3yr olds. We will have to wait for him to run against older horses to find out how good he is.
The second and third best horses of the crop are fillies. One is dead. The rest of the current crop are not much to get excited about.
Lest I give the impression that I cash all the time, I did not cash that Preakness. I waffled on Macho Again and that cost me.
BJB can rate and that makes his coming Belmont effort a possible race for the record books.
If he wins that Belmont, I\'m imagining instant retirement. Heck, I love them to race on, but I\'d retire him too.
gohorse10 Wrote:
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> Big Brown just got a paid workout for the Belmont.
> BB has not run his top race yet and it might be
> coming in the Belmont. He is just much better than
> a week group of 3yr olds. We will have to wait for
> him to run against older horses to find out how
> good he is.
They just partnered with Three Chimney\'s. This bunch retired Smarty Jones in a blink. This horse\'s career is finished as soon as he hits the wire in the Belmont.
Everyone went on TV all day and talked about \"We Need Change\" and it is just going to be more of the same.
Charm,
He hasn\'t made it to the Belmont yet.
They can just put an \"*\" by his name like they will Bary Bonds name.
As Jim Squires, who bred MONARCHOS replied to a question in Blood Horse this week:
Paris, KY:
Does racing have real problems or is it just a public relations issue that will go away with some slick advertising? Also, would a Triple Crown for Big Brown help us move on?
Squires:
I certainly don\'t have anything against Kentucky-bred Big Brown, who is lovely and fast. But if a Triple Crown winner with a history of bad feet, slow opponents and from a barn with a history of drug positives can solve this problem, this is an industry not worth saving.
Agreed. Look at the facts. Three Chimneys to get a good ROI at this price will have to get this horse to as many mares as they possibly can.
More bad feet being passed on to more bad. Wait until they get ahold of the Unbridleds Song mares. We just bred the worst feet to the worst knees we could find and we are proud of it........
amen the only horses they pay money for are the ones that peak at 3 (early in the year) wasnt the breeders cup supposed to change that. we need bigger purses for older horses.its impossible to bring back true handicap races (venue shopping) but i can still dream
Methinks firstly that Mr. Squires is a little miffed that he sold Monarchos and secondly distraut because after his Derby win Monarchos tanked and went into hibernation.
Despite Squire\'s unkind words BJB now has things Monarchos couldn\'t accomplish and is more horse than 5 Monarchos.
Dirty Dick is not all about tricks. He obviously picked up some bona fide techniques from the old man.
rosewood Wrote:
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> Charm,
>
> He hasn\'t made it to the Belmont yet.
>
> They can just put an \"*\" by his name like they
> will Bary Bonds name.
>
> As Jim Squires, who bred MONARCHOS replied to a
> question in Blood Horse this week:
>
>
>
> Paris, KY:
> Does racing have real problems or is it just a
> public relations issue that will go away with some
> slick advertising? Also, would a Triple Crown for
> Big Brown help us move on?
>
> Squires:
> I certainly don\'t have anything against
> Kentucky-bred Big Brown, who is lovely and fast.
> But if a Triple Crown winner with a history of bad
> feet, slow opponents and from a barn with a
> history of drug positives can solve this problem,
> this is an industry not worth saving.
Rosewood:
I would suggest to Mr Squires, who sold the best horse he ever bred, that
he and his fellow breeders are a large part of the problem.
As to the hooves (isn\'t that what they call feet in the horse business, Mr
Squires?), I think Dutrow and his farrier should be getting some credit right
now for holding this colt\'s hooves together. Whenever Dutrow says (or someone
mentions) that part of his success is due to enjoying service of a blacksmith
who works only for him and his brother Tony, I think lots of people roll their
eyes, but I think that many who are closer to the backstretch than I am will
agree that it is a tremendous advantage.
Rick Dutrow may be a flawed human being who has shown no particular respect for
the rules of racing in the past, but it is hard to find fault with anything he
has done with this particular specimen.
Since I am here, some post mortemization:
TV Coverage: Very interesting that NBC took what seemed to be like 45 minutes
of its TV coverage to address Racing\'s pressing issues, many of which were in
existence well before Eight Belles\' horrific breakdown at Churchill. Medication,
synthetic surfaces,are we breeding the wrong kind of racehorse, etc, were all
discussed.The conclusion was the only logical one, one which has been stated
here many times--Racing needs a central governing body, with a national racing
czar, to solve its problems.
As to Alex Waldorp of NTRA, \"W\" basically said that he is awaiting orders from
the Industry, which is not encouraging. I know, W, that this is not your
mandate, but why aren\'t you and your organization trying to get racing to the
point where all efforts are unified and a National body empowered?
The answer to this question, of course, is that the first conclusion of such
body would be, that in order to improve Racing and to improve the breed, there
would have to be \"LESS\": Less racetracks, less races being run, less horses
being bred, less unraced and ungraded stallions, all of which would result in
less money being made by a good deal of those actively involved in the business
of Racing, and will probably result in many who are scratching out a living in
Racing no longer being able to.
I do not believe NTRA, based on its constituency, is well suited to deliver the
\"LESS\" message. But LESS solves 2 major issues, which are actually one related
issue--the weakening of the breed and the diminishing quality of Racing in the
US.
The coverage of Dutrow was about what was to be expected. His answer to the
question of whether he would continue to succeed without steroids--that his
stable would continue to prosper without them--is probably accurate in that
steroids might not be the only arrow in his quiver.
Coverage of the race itself-- Since I didn\'t bet, I was not that unhappy with
the camera switches to the Snoopy I (blimp) shots. After 3/4s of a mile or so
you clearly saw Kent D looking under his arms and back through his legs and the
burst of acceleration was quite impressive, though I will continue to temper
my impression of it based on the fact that there were only 2 Graded stakes
winners in this field in addition to 4 colts and 1 gelding who were eligible to
run in a non winners of 2 lifetime race at any racetrack in the United States.
Regardless (or irregardless) a very impressive specimen who will be a deserving
odds on favotite to win the first Triple Crown in 30 years.
BB will be the seventh runner in the last 12 years to have a chance to win the
TC. That seems like too big a number considering that many are calling for the
traditional Triple Crown to be overhauled.
Since Three Chimneys has now acquired the horse perhaps Costas or some other media types can drill down on these guys on what they intend to do with and the breed specifically.
Not that the Clay Brothers a re bad guys but they are business guys. And good ones to boot. But at this level with size of a deal to be on the hook for they will sell anything to anyone to cover the $50.
We have seen plenty of dirt dug up on IEAH and Dutrow in the last couple of weeks. Now there is a new owqner. If the horse wins the Triple Crown he will be the first in 30 years and someone needs to say are you going to change anything
I don\'t know what kind of number Brown just ran but why does it matter what the rest of the crop of 3 year olds is like, he\'s running numbers that would beat any crop, including last year\'s much heralded crop. None of those guys (and gals) were running 4 and 5 negatives at this point last year.
I am getting a bit sick of hearing how bad this crop of 3 year olds is. No crop of 3 year olds ever would have been able to beat him in these two races.
We\'ll see about the Belmont but the crop has nothing to do with what he has accomplished so far.
I agree, if the success of Dutrow and Big Brown are only due to the drugs, then how come Pletcher\'s record in the triple crown is so bad?
I don\'t think these guys can juice the horses at the Derby and the Preakness with the same stuff they are able to get away with on a Thursday at Aqueduct.
Covelj:
1) Nice score in the P4--Honk if ye like Donk!!.
2) Your post re Pletcher is a bit irritating because it once again casts
aspersions on a trainer who has saddled approx 20,000 runners with only one
positive. \"Tricky\'s\" record is not quite so pristine. The comparison is probably
not a valid one, at least in the way you have presented it.
3) A better question might be why some very good \"Hay oats and water\" guys--
like Allen Jerkens, like Bill Mott, like Charlie Whittingham, like Shug
McGaughey, like MacK Miller, etc--have historically had very little success in
the Triple Crown and Derby.
And anyway, I don\'t think you can tell the worth of a three year old crop in May. For all we know, Casino Drive or Harlem Rocker will be the measure of an AGS or Street Sense.
1) thanks so much for the message on the pk 4, it felt good after the beating I took at the derby, still down for the 2 races combined but at least within spitting distance now.
2) very fair point about Pletch, I shouldn\'t have singled him out, I was just trying to highlight that testing on the big weekends is alot tougher than the average day so I don\'t think what BB and Dutrow are doing in the triple crown is a result of drugs.
3) don\'t know about the others but Mott trains a few horses I own and I really don\'t think he is a juicer (I don\'t think that\'s what you were implying anyway so it\'s all good).
Assuming he comes out of the race OK and there are no unforeseen setbacks between now and the Belmont, I think the only thing that can beat this horse is the 12F or an act of God.
When Desormeaux gave him that little nudge at the quarter pole in both the Derby and Preakness, Big brown took off like a superior horse. When he gives him that little nudge in the Belmont, he would have already run 10F instead of 8F or so. He wouldn\'t be the first horse that didn\'t respond as well after running 10F instead of 8F. It\'s got to be a risk.
In the last 30 years or so quite a number of horses made it to the Belmont after winning the first two legs. Most of them were average Grade 1 horses who managed to get the first two legs because they peaked at the right time or got a couple of good trips. But the racing gods have a way of resevering Triple Crown status to horses that are legitimately superior. IMO, in recent decades the only horse that won the first two legs that went down to defeat in the Belmont that deserved to win it all was Smarty Jones (Spectacular Bid before him). I think Big Brown deserves that status also. The good news for fans of Big Brown is that Desormeaux won\'t get caught up in a premature battle on the backstretch and no one is likely to sacrifice his horse to beat him because Jerry Bailey is already retired. ;-)
Most of you will probably laugh at me, but I made two bets in the Preakness.
In my post the other day I suggested that I thought BB had between a 70%-75% chance of winning and an 85%-90% chance of placing. The public really tends to screw up the place and show pools on races like these. So I took advantage of it.
I played a nice sized cold Big Brown/Yankee Bravo exacta (to potentially make a score) and I played 10x as much to place on Big Brown.
$2.60 on an 87.5% proposition is like stealing money (especially when you also get rebated). $2.40 was also quite profitable if I didn\'t get the extra 20 cents. Place betting is not for everyone (though I have advocated here and elsewhere quite often), but sometimes the smartest thing you can do is not do anything fancy when they are giving money away at a huge long term edge in the straight pools.
You are right, we are laughing at you.
There ought to be a rule about posting \"winnings on this board\". $2.60 place bets cannot justify public self-patting on the back.
FKACH, I bought a CD the other day that is getting me 5% interest, want to roll your profits into that?
Jim,
The figure may not be overly fast for him(neg 3ish,imo) but it is not indicitive of what he could have done if asked.Macho Again probably got a pair or small new top with Icabod Crane topping.BB\'s pattern may even look like 0 2 x into the Belmont which is why figures alone without visual observation may be misleading.
The track was fast all day with raw times nearing stakes/track records in more than one race.A decent stretch head wind picked up during the day.
The 800 pound gorilla just got heavier.Tricky already commenting that the Japanese supporting Casino Drive will find out that Godzilla(BB) is still alive.
Mike
It was a paid workout. I just got home from a lovely two day resort stay at Carmel Highlands in Big Sur courtesy of BB\'s Derby romp so I missed today\'s festivities and of course passed the race. I firmly beleive you\'ll never see BB\'s odds higher than 6-5 ever again if he continues to race.
Just watched the Tivo version of the Preakness workout and can honestly say that drugs, jockey, trainer, et al do not make this horse. His heart and mind are as good as I\'ve seen. Did you see how dry he was today? He didn\'t turn a hair and was literally posing for pictures while being saddled on the grass. He looked like Brad and Angelina on the catwalk. On his toes, dappled and dry as a bone, ears pricked. Drugs don\'t fix nerves. Throw in his larger than normal heart, amazing stride and high cruising speed and it\'s see ya bye bye to anyone in this calendar year.
Oh yes. The opportunists will love Casino Drive\'s chances and will also say things like - \"Hey man. Dennis if Cork can totally move forward off the 5 weeks rest and career top in the Derby.\" They will also say \"Did you see Macho Again\'s late stride in Baltimore? Oh man - give this one another furlong and he\'ll gallop right by BB.\"
I think not.
I said it April 10th right here on this board. Big Brown is BOSS. It\'s not even close.
He cruises June 7th right into racing lore and onto the cover of TIME magazine, and every daily newspaper that\'s left, Tricky and the gang becoming instant multi-millionaires off one shining light.
BB will not lose the Belmont Stakes. He will win by as many lengths as Desormeaux allows.
The future racing career of Big Brown will be determined by Paul Pompa and the IEAH group,Three Chimneys will have no say.
Mike
The Breeding Career of Big Brown is owned by Three Chimneys. That career will go on and last a helluva lot longer than a six or eight race career on the track.
Three Chimneys has bought the rights in the last five years of maybe the two most popular horses to come along.
Smarty Jones and possibly Big Brown.
I say possibly Big Brown because he has come and perhaps gone like a comet. With up to this point minimal popularity because the Filly Eight Belles got more publicity than he did after the Derby. Big Brown still needs to close the deal.
The guys at Three Chimneys are smart. And these syndication deals are not gimmes. The Point Given deal I believe turned out to be a disaster. A horse which surprise surprise had bad feet and was probably viewed suspiciously after previously breeders got their hands on Real Quiet who had been ground into a racing version of sausage.
They have anted up $50M and their goal is to get as much ROI as they can. Is it also to improve the Breed? Somebody needs to be asking those questions on Belmont Day and somebody needs to be providing answers. The Smartey Jones examples would be a good place to start. Assuming there are any.
This may be an opportunity to make the gray and black clouds go away. Assuming of course of the two scenarios presented above someone can honestly stand there in front of the camera and give the right answer.............
The economics of racing BB if he wins the Belmont are not good but the option to do so will rest with the present owners under advisement from Tricky. When dealing with an asset of $100 million in the racing game, you have to financially believe that it\'s best to stop on him and send off to the breeding shed.The IEAH group is self promoting like crazy right now so it may be tough to read what they will do as opposed to what they should.
It\'s amazing how luck/random plays a part in the racing business. These same guys gave $5million for 50% of a slug(Court Vision) and come out smelling like a rose with BB.
Mike
Silver and Miff:
Lets say you were involved in the management of this colt, and he wins The
Belmont.
Is there anything he can do that will increase the value he has as an undefeated
Triple Crown champion? If he races v Curlin and defeats that older rival will
his value increase by that much, if at all?
Or maybe he stays around to run in the Arlington Million, to establish Graded
Stake credentials on Racing\'s 2 traditional surfaces?
Nothing elevates a great champion like the presence of a worthy challenger, and
from what I have seen of this years 3YOs BB will be deprived of this challenge.
A big bet on Casino Drive seems like a good way to break the monotony, but
might be a kamikaze mission (why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?) given that
ones lack of seasoning.
Oh yeah, I forgot-- Temperence Hill, Summing, Sarava, Birdstone...
I noticed the overall point of my post everyone avoided with a twenty foot poll.
Which means the beat will go as far as trying to improve the Breed.
Miff -
I think those figs may be a point or two fast. Whatever fig you give Macho Again, you have to give similar figs (within a point) to Icabad Crane (prior top 5.5) and Racecar Rhapsody (prior top 3.75). And Stevil (prior top 4) ran only a couple of points worse than Macho Again.
I suppose a lot will depend on how strong the wind was and what TGJB can glean from the two-turn filly race an hour earlier.
I sure would like to see a race with BB and Curlin- the pundits are all saying his victory is hollow due to the poor crop of 3 year olds this year. But he does seem very alert and inquisitive- a really smart animal.
It was also fabulous that he got through the stretch with nothing more than a \"it\'s time\" from Kent Desormeaux. I\'m not completely against use of a crop, but to be able to use it sparingly and wisely or not at all is good for the sport I think. I\'ve read articles that put bullfighting and horse racing in the same sentence, which I find ludicrous. But with my friend having bake sales and raffles in order to obtain funding to fence another pasture for rescue of a few retired thoroughbreds, I can only hope that momentum is brewing to have more regulation aimed at protecting these beautiful athletes.
Silver,
I did not avoid your post but honestly I have little interest in what they may do to improve the breed after they destroyed it beyond repair.A top breeding guy recently said it would take 20+years to \"cleanse\" the breed, fuhgedaboutit.
The modern racing game is what it is and continues in decline.
Mike
Bit,
Beyer/Hopkins still fooling with it, but they feel that it was not real fast given track speed. The wind was an issue and BB was 3/4 wide on the last turn.Re Macho again and IC,both ran the best/fastest races of their careers regardless of what the performance fig formula may show.
Mike
That\'s why I have done a 360 about the Prince. He may go down in history as someone who saw the big picture. People may criticise or envy his power and wallet size, but he has his own agenda. It reminds me of retired business woman Roxanne Quimby who bought up 90,000 acres of Maine forest and is intent on obtaining more with the goal of developing a National Park. She\'s got several would be developers pretty snarled up. It will indeed take time to correct breeding practices, but I\'m glad the issue is starting to get national attention. You have to start somewhere. All you need is someone with the ability to make change to have courage of conviction.
Girly agreed. And it could have started four or five years ago with Smarty but we will never know because no one is willing to ask the tough questions.
Sometime these deals are like the old dot.com IPO\'s where everyone wants in because it is easy money early and who cares what happens later. And sometimes they are not.
Remember the old guy Chapman wanted to keep racing Smarty. He wasn\'t through with riding the wave. However there was considerable pressure on him to sell and stop racing Smarty. Even the \"You can\'t have you cake and eat it too\" logic wasn\'t working with the old guy because the money was meaningless to him. He knew he couldn\'t take it with him. So he was beat on pretty good to sell and quit which he eventually did. Simply because someone wanted his asset and did not want others to get it.
If someone comes along and says they will give $10M for a 5% stake in Big Brown and wants to Breed him to Billy Goats will the current Stallion Shareholders be tempted to take it.
The answer is probably yes.........
For what\'s it\'s worth, following the 7th and 9th races they watered the track. I have to believe with the sun no longer out, that this slowed down the track. There was a major concern that the track for the Preakness not be a rock hard surface.
Silver,
Chapman loved his horse, but he loved his family more. He knew the sands in his hourglass were running low. He did what he did with Smarty to provide long term for his family. He made the right decision and Smarty\'s first crop has hit the track and based upon earnings he\'s throwing runners.
Should Big Brown win the Belmont, I believe by retiring undefeated he could command an initial $200,000 stud fee. That would return the buyers $50,000,000 investment before his first crop raced.
Other than hooves that cracked, I haven\'t seen an issue with Big Brown and should he prevail at 12 poles I would have to consider him a sound animal to breed with. That said, you never know if an individual is going to breed well. Cigar and War Emblem were certainly busts. Big Brown could sire slow and/or infirm horses, but the initial money is there and a reasonable man would be foolish to let it slip through his fingers.
Big Brown to retire after crossing the line in the Belmont.
Silver Charm Wrote:
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> Girly agreed. And it could have started four or
> five years ago with Smarty but we will never know
> because no one is willing to ask the tough
> questions.
>
> Sometime these deals are like the old dot.com
> IPO\'s where everyone wants in because it is easy
> money early and who cares what happens later. And
> sometimes they are not.
>
> Remember the old guy Chapman wanted to keep racing
> Smarty. He wasn\'t through with riding the wave.
> However there was considerable pressure on him to
> sell and stop racing Smarty. Even the \"You can\'t
> have you cake and eat it too\" logic wasn\'t working
> with the old guy because the money was meaningless
> to him. He knew he couldn\'t take it with him. So
> he was beat on pretty good to sell and quit which
> he eventually did. Simply because someone wanted
> his asset and did not want others to get it.
>
> If someone comes along and says they will give
> $10M for a 5% stake in Big Brown and wants to
> Breed him to Billy Goats will the current Stallion
> Shareholders be tempted to take it.
>
> The answer is probably yes.........
I think the last couple of Preakness\'s (with Curlin and Bernardini) has spoiled us a bit. BB\'s was still the third quickest in the last 12 years.
Enough with the cracked hooves! Buckpasser was the greatest horse never to race in the TC (bad feet) yet he made a big (positive) impact on the breed.
CtC,
The Smarty\'s and the Big Browns (if he closes) are made into National Treasures. The Standards should be higher. No knows if they are because no one asks the tough questions.
I just finished some in-house painting. I mixed Red, White and Blue paint and I am expecting it to come out Brown. If it doesn\'t I know some real good Auctioneers who can manipulate some Sales and still get me my money back.
Sound familiar.........
With red and blue you\'re liable to get Big Purple.......if you add white I think it likely to be Big Lilac.
If you want to see how long your Big Lilac will last expose it to the elements. If you want to preserve the beauty of your Big Lilac you might want to protect it. Maybe put it in a frame with a glass cover.
Perhaps with time, the public will clamour for your Big Lilac. Maybe not. But in the near term a good art dealer might get you a nice price for your Big Lilac. Maybe you\'ll take it. Maybe you won\'t.
http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/gogh/irises/gogh.irises.jpg
Silver Charm Wrote:
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> CtC,
>
> The Smarty\'s and the Big Browns (if he closes) are
> made into National Treasures. The Standards should
> be higher. No knows if they are because no one
> asks the tough questions.
>
> I just finished some in-house painting. I mixed
> Red, White and Blue paint and I am expecting it to
> come out Brown. If it doesn\'t I know some real
> good Auctioneers who can manipulate some Sales and
> still get me my money back.
>
> Sound familiar.........
I think it would more like a sour grape color.
Jimbo,
I wasn\'t patting myself on the back. I was pointing out a type of overlay that exists in this game that can still be exploited from time to time with only limited knowledge and skill.
With all due respect, when you cash a $2.60 bet with a 87.5% chance of winning, your long term edge is over 13%. Add a 3%-5% rebate on top of that and your long term edge starts approaching 20%. Every time you do it, that\'s another 15%-20%. That\'s MONSTER return!
Please let me know the next time you are fairly certain you have a 15%-20% edge and can also bet a large chunk of your bankroll without any risk of ruin. It rarely exists. Large edges do exist from time to time, but they are usually among much lower probability bets.
Place betting can be attractive. When you cash around 80% of your place bets long term (which I have over the last few years at just under a 10% return), you can risk a fairly high percentage of your bankroll without the risk of ruin. You can certainly bet WAY more per bet than you can in exotics.
Some people believe you should only try to make major scores. I understand that perspective. It feels great when you make a score and gives you bragging rights. However, as we all know, most people that make major scores from time to time also hit a low percentage of their bets and have to bet a much smaller percentage of their bankroll to avoid ruin.
Dealing with that kind of volatility makes a lot of sense as long as you have a long term edge. I believe there is no reason not to take both approaches.
At the end of the year only two things matter.
1. How much money did you get through the windows.
2. What was the ROI on the money you got through the windows.
I would argue that betting 10X my normal bet with better than a 15% edge on the Preakness was the smartest thing \"I\" could possibly do in the race. I didn\'t see any exotics I thought had a better expectation, though I thought my cold exacta was reasonable because I had a couple of insights into Yankee Bravo.
The bottom line is that it\'s not the amount of money you win or lose on any given day that counts. It\'s the amount of money you get through the windows and at what edge.
I think there should be a rule against posting about 100K scores if over the year you had to put 99K through the windows to win it. ;-)
The Thoro site is full of a lot of smart guys, but when it comes to breeding there aren\'t many here who even begin to know what they are talking about.
Many pre-Derby posts reckoned that BB couldn\'t get 10 furlongs because he was sired by a sprinter...excuse me, but a foal only gets half his genetic material from his sire. And the half he gets from the sire has less impact on his stamina than the half he gets from the dam.
Please do some freakin homework. The first mammal genome that was decoded was the horse genome. There is a ton of insight you all can learn about horse breeding from reading about it.
While it is true that the breed has overall been impacted negatively by 30 years worth of dominant emphasis on frail specimens, there is a reason this happened the way it did. It wasn\'t only about ill-informed breeders making commercial decisions, it was about a substantial change in the equine phenotype that could compete successfully in Triple Crown races.
Read the Equix Biomechanics site for its history of this development. The pivotal stallion in this change was not someone like Secretariat, it was a miler: Fappiano. The sire and source of all those Unbridled skeletal problems. Also the source of the big chested power individual that could motor for 10 furlongs.
This cannot be turned around easily because the prizes are what they are. You can\'t beat these individuals in the early part of their career in the Triple Crown with a galloper. That era ended and it ain\'t coming back soon.
By the way, BB may fail at stud not because of his physical frailties (assuming he has any) but because the sire passes 2 distinct phenotype skeletal structures...that of one of his own sire\'s 2 parents. If BB is dominant, genetically speaking, on the wrong side of this equation, he\'s a bust.
Note to the room: All you smart guys in the room, quit being so stupid....
DO your homework !! May I suggest \"My Little Pony\" and then graduate to
\"Equix Biomechanics\", authored by alm.
At this point, Big Brown will be either 50% dominant, or 50% bust, or he may be sterile and we\'ll never know.
\"Those convinced against their will, remain unconvinced still.\"
Alm, when you become condescending to \"smart\" people, it\'s not well received.
I\'m not being condescending...just factual. Do some reading.
I would love top see that too. Some track should put up a 2-3 million dollar purse for early October, and screw the BC. Would you want see 2 of the best horses in years battling out on the poly mess. It wouldn\'t mean a thing, and there folks lies a problem
Would love to see CD or Belmont run a series of dirt races with big purses
(preferably graded races) on the same day or weekend as the BC.
For once the lack of a central sanctioning body could work in horseplayers\'
favor.