Bet at your own risk on Sat. His works have been good. But slow early and fast late.
How he handles Poly in a real race is your guess.
The BG smells like a rat
I\'m with you Silver. I hope he wins or closes with gusto, but something just doesn\'t sit right with me on him...That being said, I\'m wrong about 68% of the time :)
I hope he goes off at 7-5 and wins by a pole.
Silver Charm Wrote:
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> Bet at your own risk on Sat. His works have been
> good. But slow early and fast late.
>
> How he handles Poly in a real race is your guess.
>
>
> The BG smells like a rat
Purely a tune-up for Pyro win or lose.
You\'d like to see him blow his wad 3 weeks early.However,\"this is not the day Judah\". Bonus points if you can guess the film.The actual line is\"this is the day
Judah\".
I agree and that is my point. Another Street Sense type race from a year ago. He has been training good but not to WIN THIS RACE.
7 furlongs in 1:27 and then a half in 50.
Sorry that doesn\'t scream GO to me.
Interesting thing is Asmussen train up to the Derby last year AT KEENELAND. Probably needs a work or two over the CD strip in my opinion.
See Street Sense from a year ago.
No, I\'ll take his best shot the First Saturday in May. I just want him to go into the Derby with very high expectations.
Silver Charm, I make this a five horse race for all the exotics. But to me, the interesting thing is that there is a Team Valor horse in the field to take on Pyro. (Barry Irwin has said Pyro is \"superman with massive gunboats\" or words to that effect.) I don\'t think Barry understands that His horse could ruin our Derby odds on Pyro. Barry hasn\'t correctly evaluated a horse since Captain Bodgit.
That said, I\'m not gonna bet the Bluegrass because I hate Poly, but if we are lucky the Polytrack will play to Pyro. By the way, the recent studies are showing that Poly really is not safer for decreasing fatal injuries.
Flighted Iron Wrote:
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> You\'d like to see him blow his wad 3 weeks
> early.However,\"this is not the day Judah\". Bonus
> points if you can guess the film.The actual line
> is\"this is the day
> Judah\".
I heard Barry\'s horse was doing good. Not from Barry, he doesn\'t respond to my emails. His post is brutal.
Be careful with those Poly stats. Because someone told everybody Poly was safer they probably started running their horses more often. Hence the increase in breakdowns.
Poly will go down in history like Classic Coke.
i like that - wins by a pole . his sheet reminds me a little bit to point given and sweetnorthernsaint . perhaps they could play \"eye of the tiger\" on the track public address system when he comes onto the track for the post parade ...
I have virtually no idea what Pyro is going to do tomorrow in his first try on Poly.
I\'m hoping he runs a mediocre race and his odds move higher for the Derby.
IMO.....
Some fast 2YOs don\'t develop further as 3YOs.
Some fast 2YOs don\'t want to stretch out to middle and longer distances.
However, very few 3YOs are worse than they were at 2 unless they develop some physical problems.
As far as I can tell, Pyro had a great winter and has had a perfect series of prep races at 3. IMO, his peak is at least as fast as it was at 2 and possibly faster.
This was a very fast 2YO if you include his slop race. I realize that I\'ve downplayed other slop efforts, but Pyro is not a speedy loose on the lead type. I think there\'s a better chance his slop effort was legit and will translate to a fast track. Even if you exclude that race, he still ran a solid 3 as a 2YO and has to have a very good chance to improve on that by between 2-4 points.
I also think he\'s close to a mortal lock to have a much faster race in him than he has shown so far at 3. He didn\'t have ideal conditions for his style in either start this year, but could very well get perfect conditions in the Derby. Initially, I didn\'t like the fact that he was closing from so far out of it, but he got better position last out.
The fact that his form may get clouded by the Poly surface tomorow is great (the first nice words I ever said about the stuff). I think he has a huge shot in the Derby.
He should be about 8-5 tomorrow. He will not but he should be. Just too many unknowns.
IMO The Pletcher horses are DOA.
Zito been really quiet this week and he gets the rail
Silver Charm Wrote:
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> He should be about 8-5 tomorrow. He will not but
> he should be. Just too many unknowns.
>
> IMO The Pletcher horses are DOA.
>
> Zito been really quiet this week and he gets the
> rail
Zito can\'t have success at Keeneland without dirt racing.He\'s a brutal turf trainer and if the thorograph stats are correct he\'s 2 for 44 on synthetics.Cool Coal Man and Stevil tossed.
At anything over 15-1, Monba looks like my key. Two nice synth efforts - a win coming over this strip last Oct. Only beaten 2 1/4 by Colonel John in the Cash Call last December. Horses who ran well here last year are running well again here this year.
Here\'s my Bluegrass play if the odds hold up:
#5 WP
Exacta & Tri: 5/1,3,7,9,12
Pletcher is throwing darts blindfolded now.
After he has been spun around in a circle like a couple of times.
I think Pyro is going to run well, but do they want faster than \'1\'? and will they instruct Bridgemohan to stay clear? tough call at even money.
Monba (15-1 ml) might be ready for a top. \'8\' first out over the surface, and a decent run in the Hol stks race on synth. bred to go long on bottom. decent post. could get a 2w/2w \'3\' or \'4\'.
I had Visionaire as my key before the draw. what is Lezcano going to do from post 12? drop to last and make one run? tough task.
I\'m with Monba at decent odds.
Do they want Pyro to run faster than a \"1\"?
I think a more accurate question is if you toss the Monmouth figure and factor the Poly: \"Can Pyro run better than a 3?\"
I\'m hoping and praying Pyro blows them out, but I consider that result somewhat unlikely. The problem is that its Poly and theres no structure for isolating the horses that will vanquish him.
Michael D. Wrote:
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> I think Pyro is going to run well, but do they
> want faster than \'1\'? and will they instruct
> Bridgemohan to stay clear? tough call at even
> money.
>
> Monba (15-1 ml) might be ready for a top. \'8\'
> first out over the surface, and a decent run in
> the Hol stks race on synth. bred to go long on
> bottom. decent post. could get a 2w/2w \'3\' or
> \'4\'.
>
> I had Visionaire as my key before the draw. what
> is Lezcano going to do from post 12? drop to last
> and make one run? tough task.
>
> I\'m with Monba at decent odds.
Holy cow. I just got home after 13 hours at a family wedding. I played my BG ticket heavy before I left. Just watched the race. CHA CHING! DANG that was nice. Nothing like a favorable Tivo session! Hope everyone did well today. Rebellion was a great call. I missed the exacta.
Pyro looked positively dreadful.
So to recap. Does anyone come within 20 lengths of Big Brown in this 3 year old crop?
fkach Wrote:
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> I have virtually no idea what Pyro is going to do
> tomorrow in his first try on Poly.
>
> I\'m hoping he runs a mediocre race and his odds
> move higher for the Derby.
>
> IMO.....
>
> Some fast 2YOs don\'t develop further as 3YOs.
>
> Some fast 2YOs don\'t want to stretch out to middle
> and longer distances.
>
> However, very few 3YOs are worse than they were at
> 2 unless they develop some physical problems.
>
> As far as I can tell, Pyro had a great winter and
> has had a perfect series of prep races at 3. IMO,
> his peak is at least as fast as it was at 2 and
> possibly faster.
>
> This was a very fast 2YO if you include his slop
> race. I realize that I\'ve downplayed other slop
> efforts, but Pyro is not a speedy loose on the
> lead type. I think there\'s a better chance his
> slop effort was legit and will translate to a fast
> track. Even if you exclude that race, he still ran
> a solid 3 as a 2YO and has to have a very good
> chance to improve on that by between 2-4 points.
>
>
> I also think he\'s close to a mortal lock to have a
> much faster race in him than he has shown so far
> at 3. He didn\'t have ideal conditions for his
> style in either start this year, but could very
> well get perfect conditions in the Derby.
> Initially, I didn\'t like the fact that he was
> closing from so far out of it, but he got better
> position last out.
>
> The fact that his form may get clouded by the Poly
> surface tomorow is great (the first nice words I
> ever said about the stuff). I think he has a huge
> shot in the Derby.
Exactly!
LOL.
I wrote all that before he didn\'t lift a hoof in the Bluegrass. I still think he has a huge shot, but I am less certain of his current condition now and want an extra tick or two on the board to use him given the \"?\".