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Title: ROTW-Blinkers On
Post by: Silver Charm on March 21, 2008, 05:17:39 PM
Has always been a big GO angle with McPeek but usually when they have one in them.

Which this one does not.

Certainly fast enough last year to do some damage with any kind of development.

But is that tomorrow or in two weeks in the BG again on Poly after he has gotten the needed tightener?

Demand Value
Title: Re: ROTW-Blinkers On
Post by: jbelfior on March 21, 2008, 05:55:35 PM
My thoughts exactly. Probably in this due to the owner (Carrol).

I\'m willing to excuse poor performance over Keenland poly by MACHO AGAIN if odds are 10-1 or better. I don\'t agree at all with ROTW bounce prediction on this one.



Good Luck,
Joe B.
Title: Re: ROTW-Blinkers On
Post by: ronwar on March 21, 2008, 07:45:31 PM
I think Chitoz sits the perfect trip.  Looks like he was short and rank after a small break.  Remove the blinkers, back to preffered surface, Pletcher/Douglas at a price.
Title: Re: ROTW-Blinkers On
Post by: Lost Cause on March 21, 2008, 08:16:31 PM
If Racecar Rhapsody loses this one I\'ll eat the sheets....He looks tons the best...I don\'t think I\'ll get higher than 5/2, If I do The rubber band comes off..I really think this horse has a future.  Good connections also.  He is the only horse I have looked at this year that I felt had a chance at beating Pyro in the Derby..nuff said
Title: Re: ROTW-Blinkers On
Post by: Uncle Buck on March 21, 2008, 11:38:23 PM
Cannonball and Turf War look useable to me at anything over 6-1. Interesting that the Ramsey\'s and Ward book Solis on this one. Solis and Paddy Gallagher have been live all winter at long odds and I\'ve got a feeling about this one. If Cannonball drifts up...\"my rubber band comes off\" - that comment cracked me up:-)
Title: Re: ROTW-Blinkers On
Post by: Rick B. on March 22, 2008, 07:22:01 AM
Was surprised by the analysis comments on Turf War: \"...but it\'s tough to like him going back to Poly\".
 
I could see if Turf War was \"bad\" on Poly, but lesser TG numbers notwithstanding -- two wins and a 2nd in four lifetime starts on Poly demands some respect. Use him.
Title: Re: ROTW-Blinkers On
Post by: Michael D. on March 22, 2008, 07:59:15 AM
I\'m picking a NYB gelding facing open company for the first time - a horse that doesn\'t appear to care for pace company, and is stretching out over a more demanding surface. 30% to come last.

he is, however, a half to Balto Star, winner of this race in \'01, and a horse that went on to excel going long on turf. he\'s also coming off a few bunched up races - not a good category for Pletcher. comes in here on six weeks.

key the Duke at long odds from the 1 hole (12-1 ml).
Title: Re: ROTW-Blinkers On
Post by: girly on March 22, 2008, 08:39:33 AM
7 scratched
Title: Re: ROTW-Blinkers On
Post by: RICH on March 22, 2008, 10:32:30 AM
I like DUKE OF DE BUGE, has the rail, those 2 numbers put him there already. Let\'s say he gets right back to the 4 top (why not, he has 6 weeks), with a rail trip (1w,1w), some of these are going to need to run a 1 or 2 to be there. The 2 should back up, the 3 and 4 ain\'t fast enough, yeah the turfy 5 can run the number on the turf, but will need at new top to beat the one. Racecar looks good, but his number power is a little off the one. I don\'t know, I see pltecher, I see 12-1, I see rail and speed. My key, Good luck
Title: Re: ROTW-Blinkers On
Post by: jbelfior on March 22, 2008, 06:50:16 PM
That\'s the last time I play polycrap.

I\'m too stubborn/old fashioned, etc. to play turf horses on anything other than turf. The surface is a joke and Keenland won\'t get a dime from me except on the weeds.

PS: Now the knuckleheads will start screaming Derby for ADRIANO...good luck with that!!


Joe B.
Title: Re: ROTW-Blinkers On
Post by: Uncle Buck on March 22, 2008, 07:59:23 PM
How did the sheets taste ronwar? In your honor I ate my losing tickets on Cannonball accompanied by a nice Chianti...
Title: Re: ROTW-Blinkers On
Post by: Lost Cause on March 23, 2008, 06:36:17 AM
Lost Cause Wrote:
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> If Racecar Rhapsody loses this one I\'ll eat the
> sheets....He looks tons the best...I don\'t think
> I\'ll get higher than 5/2, If I do The rubber band
> comes off..I really think this horse has a future.
>  Good connections also.  He is the only horse I
> have looked at this year that I felt had a chance
> at beating Pyro in the Derby..nuff said

At least I don\'t have to worry about Easter dinner tonight..Pass the salt and pepper please....
Title: Re: ROTW-Blinkers On
Post by: TGJB on March 23, 2008, 11:19:25 AM
For what its worth, I\'m going to take a good look at the inside couple of paths (where RR was). It was clear the jocks were avoiding the rail all day, don\'t know yet if they were right.

And more amazingly, they have been doing it on the FG TURF. That\'s something I\'ve never seen before.
Title: Re: ROTW-Blinkers On
Post by: miff on March 23, 2008, 11:35:31 AM
JB,

Don\'t know what the TG dead rail computer flag will show but every winner was off the inside.Even the front running winners never hit the fence, most staying in at least the 3 path.


Mike
Title: Re: ROTW-Blinkers On
Post by: spa on March 23, 2008, 05:46:58 PM
Congrats,you just killed the price on RR...........
Title: Re: Dead Rails
Post by: BitPlayer on March 23, 2008, 07:59:19 PM
TGJB -

When you look at dead rails, do you look only at paths on the turn (based on your ground loss info), or also paths in the straightaways?  I suppose that, due to banking differences, the rail could easily play differently on the turns than in the straightawys.

Big Glen, while out in the track on the turns, came up the rail in the stretch to win the Rushaway on Saturday.
Title: Re: ROTW-Blinkers On
Post by: RICH on March 24, 2008, 06:10:19 AM
I felt the same, I don\'t play poly, so I played todsy, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and I never feel that way. Oh well, we\'ll get them in the Derby Saturday.
Title: Re: Dead Rails
Post by: TGJB on March 24, 2008, 10:28:55 AM
Under ordinary circumstances, the only info we get from our trackmen is on the turns. On rare occasions I request them to get straightaways for just that reason, and you can also tell from chart calls and replays, if necessary. Mostly I just go by the turn information.

I did a TP day from earlier in the week, and there definitely was a dead rail.
Title: Re: Dead Rails
Post by: Lost Cause on March 24, 2008, 11:11:36 AM
I finally got to look at the replay of that race..I would have been walking to the window on the turn.  Racecar Rhapsody looked like he was going to come up the inside and crush them, then he runs like he has a parachute attached to his back..I don\'t usually bet Turfway so I can\'t comment about the rail but in that race it looked dead..
Title: Re: Dead Rails
Post by: Silver Charm on March 24, 2008, 11:52:47 AM
If it is a Synthetic Track then the stretch rail is dead.

Book it..............