It ain\'t Saratoga any longer.
The new Giant Killer is Tampa Bay Downs. War Pass didn\'t do himself any favors acting like he did, but Make Me Zach schooled more than War Pass and ought to have everyone looking real closely at the Monmouth number. Unless this years fillies are that fast too.
What I thought what was unreal was how light the exotics were all down the line. Lots of folks said \"Prove it to me.\"
This Derby is gonna be a dilly for a filly.
I wouldn\'t be surprised if War Pass got stepped on coming out of the gate.
Agree that the exotics were VERY light considering the beating War Pass took in the pick N and straight pools. The third-place finisher paid more to show than the exacta!
EdD
I doubt you\'ll ever see War Pass on a racetrack again.
All other issues aside, what figure at Mth makes War Pass running last in this field make sense? You figure I have it wrong by 30 lengths?
I hope he\'s not hurt is all.
Chuck,
What possible relevance could WP\'s race in the slop 4 months ago have to do with todays performance?
Mike
No not at all. I sincerely believe your figures are tops Jerry and I\'ve rated both War Pass and Pyro on their basis. I\'ve just a dedicated theory that a front end horse on a skipping surface results in unreliable figures. I suspected the Monmouth figure was unreliable by subsequent efforts and though Pyro has won since then he has not shown back speed. I just don\'t think the back speed is there to return to.
When someone had the strategy to hook War Pass you had to figure one of two things would happen. One thing was that War Pass would prove himself to be a superior horse. The other thing happened, and it likely happened because he was not as back fast as generally given credit for. I did not give him credit for the \"one time\".
TGJB Wrote:
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> All other issues aside, what figure at Mth makes
> War Pass running last in this field make sense?
> You figure I have it wrong by 30 lengths?
CTC,
ought to have everyone looking real closely at the Monmouth number. Unless this years fillies are that fast too.
C\'mon man? Get real.
Your opinion would sound less unconvincing with some hard data to back it up.
\"I doubt you\'ll ever see War Pass on the race track again?\" I can\'t agree with that statement. You are talking about a multiple grade one winner with blazing speed. He didn\'t run well today. Maybe he was sore, sick or couldn\'t grip that track. The same thing happened to Afleet Alex in the Rebel a few years back. AA didn\'t show up in the Rebel and didn\'t run his race in the Derby either but he came back to show what a true runner he was in the Preakness and Belmont.
You have not seen the last of War Pass. He will be back with guns blazing soon enough. Most every good horse has thrown in a clunker or two.
DRF reports that the owner said he had a fever this week, and yet they still ran him. Can you believe it? They have a derby horse and take a chance like this: it\'s not as if he needed the earnings from the race. They took their time bringing him out this year and then run him when there is a chance he may not be at his best. As Beulah would say \" ICREDIBLA! \"
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> DRF reports that the owner said he had a fever
> this week, and yet they still ran him. Can you
> believe it? They have a derby horse and take a
> chance like this: it\'s not as if he needed the
> earnings from the race. They took their time
> bringing him out this year and then run him when
> there is a chance he may not be at his best. As
> Beulah would say \" ICREDIBLA! \"
I\'m curious to see what the bloodwork shows. Something that should have been done when he spiked a fever. This is not the first time that Zito has run horses that should have been scratched to placate ambitious owners.
Remember Noble Causeway and Leggio at Saratoga?
Bob
The fever could certainly have been a factor.
I think bigger factors were the poor break, having to run from behind and the heavy track. He\'s obviously not a Seattle Slew and running from behind like Slew had to in the 1977 Derby is not something War Pass is gonna do easily.
Uncle Buck Wrote:
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> \"I doubt you\'ll ever see War Pass on the race
> track again?\" I can\'t agree with that statement.
> You are talking about a multiple grade one winner
> with blazing speed. He didn\'t run well today.
> Maybe he was sore, sick or couldn\'t grip that
> track. The same thing happened to Afleet Alex in
> the Rebel a few years back. AA didn\'t show up in
> the Rebel and didn\'t run his race in the Derby
> either but he came back to show what a true runner
> he was in the Preakness and Belmont.
>
> You have not seen the last of War Pass. He will be
> back with guns blazing soon enough. Most every
> good horse has thrown in a clunker or two.
You couldn\'t be more accurate regarding horses mailing a race in now and then.
\"He had a little fever earlier this week, but we thought he\'d be okay,\" said Robert LaPenta, the owner of War Pass. \"He\'s a great horse, but he just wasn\'t himself today.\"
Velasquez said he was squeezed from the outside on both turns and felt War Pass just didn\'t handle the track.
If in fact the owner has given the hard cold number on War Pass and considering
the trip and track likeability I don\'t find it odd for the horse to pack it in.
Personally I could care less if he was beaten let\'s say 56 lengths.If the betting
public allows War Pass to go postward at 7/2 or better in the Wood then I\'m all
in. Four weeks to rest off the preverbial non-effort and My gut says he\'a a New Yorker.
how many times have we seen young horses get knocked out by running big numbers . a 2 yo \"negative - 3 1/2 \" , the \"4 pt bounce \" next and then \"yesterdays \" (3-15) result . there is little doubt imo - that the horses health and whatever side issues are attributed in some way to the big 2 yo number ... the question of how much more time will be needed before running back remains - my gut feeling is around BC time ...
The interesting part of the issue is that Pyro has also been 4 pts shy of the 2YO top run that same day on that same surface and no one is saying that top took the starch out of him.
I\'m seeing a bunch of unspectacular horses and believe theres still plenty of time for the Derby winner to make himself known. But then again, maybe she has.
CtC
marcus Wrote:
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> how many times have we seen young horses get
> knocked out by running big numbers . a 2 yo
> \"negative - 3 1/2 \" , the \"4 pt bounce \" next and
> then \"yesterdays \" result . there is little doubt
> imo - that the horses health and whatever side
> issues are attributed in some way to the big 2 yo
> number ... the question of how much more time will
> be needed before running back remains - my gut
> feeling is around BC time ...
Until we know exactly what, if anything, was wrong with him going into the race, whether he got hurt at the start, or whether he was exposed by a rougher trip, it\'s hard to speculate much.
I agree with Chuckles that figures earned by horses that go wire to wire on loose leads on very sloppy tracks are always suspect. That kind of track is a very unique set of conditions that some horses love and others hate. In addition, the margins between horses are often very exaggerated because mud gets kicked in horses\' and jocks\' faces, the jocks ease beaten horses early etc.... That doesn\'t mean the figures are wrong. They are just less reliable as an indication of what a horse can do on a fast track. Big tops on tracks like that are often not repeated. All that said, I have no idea what his race at MTH had to do with yesterday. Even if you drew a line through that race, he was still 1-5 yesterday.
To me, this was a big disappointent. I intended on making a huge bet against him in the Derby. I was also hoping he would prove me wrong and prove to be a special horse. It doesn\'t look like either will happen now.
ctc - looks like a good appraisal - \'08 futures looked exceptionally dull though a couple new faces got to be right there - imo . i amended my post because it seemed to heavy and negative - but you got it anyway and thats fine becouse i\'m convinced now the big # singed the horse .
Last week while dining in mexico city , i was seated at Poncho Villas old table at what was his favorite restaurant and noticed from the window , while waiting my desert cafe latte , a group of mexico city thoroughbred police horses passing along with a manifestation on juarez blvd and wondered if a stallion registry could be found to trace these horses back and then see what kind of numbers they ran ...
I must say one of the scariest moments down there was walking past a corporate looking type book store where they had a book in the window display , \" presidente clinton \" with a picture of hillary on the cover . But seriously - based on those numbers , war pass probably couldn\'t out run montezuma\'s revenge right now and honestly , an 0 4 X at this stage of the game ? can\'t be a good thing for the horse ...
Tough commentary here, but I\'m reading it differently. Provided War Pass can come back and run tough in the Wood, I\'m not disposed to toss him in the Derby upon the basis of a juvenile campaign that ruined him. If War Pass ran say a 1 or 2 in the Wood and caught a favorable Derby track with horses he could control the pace with, I can\'t say I would not bet him.
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> ctc- looks like a good appraisal - \'08 futures
> looked exceptionally dull though a couple new
> faces got to be right there - imo . i amended my
> post because it seemed to heavy and negative - but
> you got it anyway and thats fine becouse i\'m
> convinced now that big # singed the horse .
>
> Last week while dining in mexico city , i was
> seated at Poncho Villas old table at what was his
> favorite restaurant and noticed from the window ,
> while waiting my desert cafe latte , a group of
> mexico city thoroughbred police horses passing
> along with a manifestation on juarez blvd and
> wondered if a stallion registry could be found to
> trace these horses back and then see what kind of
> numbers they ran ...
>
> I must say one of the scariest moments down there
> was walking past a corporate looking type book
> store where they had a book in the window display
> , \" presidente clinton \" with a picture of hillary
> on the cover . But seriously - based on those
> numbers , war pass probably couldn\'t out run
> montezuma\'s revenge right now and honestly , an 0
> 4 X at this stage of the game ? can\'t be a good
> thing for the horse ...
Mark,
War Pass reacted 4 months later? Wow!Anyway, never believe one performance by a horse, good or bad.
As far as the outrage by some of the fever thing, you would be astonished how often a horse will run in a big race despite a mid-week minor illness/heat/injury.Agree with Bob on the Blood work and have to believe it was done when the fever spiked.
That is also why you have to be a stone sucker to bet $600k in the show pool to pick up 5%. All you have to do now is win 20 shows bets in a row to get even.
Mike
mike - ok , we can agree to disagree - except that i never draw lines through numbers . just an observation , 02X patterns very well could be hard enough on young horses - much less an apparent 0 4 X now would speak imo to contridicted what a few of you do seem to be saying about the mth race .
effects of stresses and exertions incurred in running big figs manifest themselves down the road in terms \"races\" and are the quantifying factors - not necesarily time ...
let me pass back the torch of undue speculation - wasn\'t barbaros demise potentially traced to a turf race several back when best guess has it that when laboring some , he seemed to shift action abruptly and took off like a car ...
i\'ve said what i wanted to say and partly becouse it\'s palm sunday and also becouse many of you are a lot older than me - you got the last word ...
mark
Mark
\"effects of stresses and exertions incurred in running big figs manifest themselves down the road in terms \"races\" and are the quantifying factors - not necessarily time\"
...not an ounce of fact and merely someone\'s opinion, may or may not be correct. For every horse you show reacting to a big fig, I\'ll show two that did not.They are all different and painting them all with one stroke of the dogma brush has been disproved many times over.
Barbaro took a bad a step or had an injury which came from someplace that I believe no one knows(may have been from his previous efforts though)
I\'m sure I\'m older than you and appreciate your opinion but I have done years of research and found no evidence/facts to support the opinion that all horses react to stressful performances equally.
Nice Palm Sunday, Mark.
Mike
What is your feeling if he\'s entered in the Wood?
That is also why you have to be a stone sucker to bet $600k in the show pool to pick up 5%. All you have to do now is win 20 shows bets in a row to get even.
A man looking for value I presume?
Everything considered regarding WP\'s loss,If he runs back in the Wood,at what price would you find value in him?
Flighted Iron - i\'m primarily thinking of a few things - derby pattern profiles , the negative number study and my personal experience and observations of when they run the really big ones , and also i\'m thinking about the prospects for young horses running to new tops as opposed to those running back to old ones .
imo- with big top efforts , the question always arises as was the case with \'smarty for example - how long can they hold together . to my satisfaction , i feel war pass has already and sufficiently answered with this question with his last 2 numbers .
just to add - i do appreciate and value everyones opinions and experiences here and i actually hope i\'m wrong about war pass - he\'s a nice horse after all - but from my perspective , the basis for concern about his well being is evident - imo .
i guess the my best answer to your question is i\'d probably use him on top as a saver in the wood ...
J,
It seems to be the case.Is it rational to say that even the most rational beings
make irrational(mistakes)decisions?I\'m wagering on the human factor here.In the
ensuing weeks The animal himself will give them their next decision.Based on what
I\'ve heard,I\'m confident War Pass will redeem himself if he goes postward in the
Wood.As a bettor I can only hope for value.
I want to hear some details of what might have really happened.
If he goes in the Wood, the public won\'t bet him as heavily as if he won yesterday, but they will still bet him pretty heavily. I think that\'s more or less the correct idea, it\'s the degree that could be off.
If he loses (especially if badly), then it\'s pretty much over.
If he wins impressively, but \"wire to wire loose on the lead\", I\'m going to hold the race at Tampa against him at least a little no matter what they use as an excuse for that race.
When a horse of that caliber runs that poorly,it\'s more than a bump/squeeze/stumble.Watching the rerun, when Velasquez tried to put WP into the race(very early) he had no acceleration, none.Unless he\'s the gutless type that got intimidated by the physical rough-up he received, there must be a reason for that despicable performance.
It could take up to 72 hours for the problem to show, if one exists.
Mike
Miff,
War Pass had always had it his own way.
In the way of analogy, I\'d point out that Ten Most Wanted never ran a lick when he was roughed up.
miff Wrote:
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> When a horse of that caliber runs that poorly,it\'s
> more than a bump/squeeze/stumble.Watching the
> rerun, when Velasquez tried to put WP into the
> race(very early) he had no acceleration,
> none.Unless he\'s the gutless type that got
> intimidated by the physical rough-up he received,
> there must be a reason for that despicable
> performance.
>
> It could take up to 72 hours for the problem to
> show, if one exists.
>
>
> Mike
Chuck,
It\'s possible he\'s a coward but not to have any run at any point seems to suggest he was \"knocked out sick\" or has a physical issue which was unknown prior to the race.This is kinda an anti Zito board(posters, not management) mostly but I doubt he sent this horse out knowing something might be amiss.
Maybe he\'ll scope dirty,show something physical or show nothing wrong at all(love to bet that kind back)
Mike
I\'ll give them time to elaborate on the illness. (Though post Tampa Bay Derby just read War Pass is back on the Derby Trail.)
I\'d also point out though the 1 turn races were quickish and won by front runners, the two turn race fractions were not near as glib. Per usual, the further horses run at Tampa, the more the surface takes its toll on them. Folks may be underestimating how fast the leaders were going early in the Tampa Bay Derby. It was significantly quicker than some may think. I\'d look real close at Gentleman Jims, Pasco and Make Me Zach\'s last Gulfstream tour.
Add to the above that War Pass got nicked early, on a tough track and had to run at horses in front of him for the first time in his life and I for one don\'t find the result all that alarming considering he may be the type that wants it all his own way. The Cliff\'s Edge went down here too and many many others.
We\'ll see about the fever.
miff Wrote:
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> Chuck,
>
> It\'s possible he\'s a coward but not to have any
> run at any point seems to suggest he was \"knocked
> out sick\" or has a physical issue which was
> unknown prior to the race.This is kinda an anti
> Zito board(posters, not management) mostly but I
> doubt he sent this horse out knowing something
> might be amiss.
>
> Maybe he\'ll scope dirty,show something physical or
> show nothing wrong at all(love to bet that kind
> back)
>
>
> Mike
marcus Wrote:
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> Last week while dining in mexico city , i was
> seated at Poncho Villas old table at what was his
> favorite restaurant and noticed from the window ,
> while waiting my desert cafe latte , a group of
> mexico city thoroughbred police horses passing
> along with a manifestation on juarez blvd and
> wondered if a stallion registry could be found to
> trace these horses back and then see what kind of
> numbers they ran ...
Marcus:
If you can get a hold of Jimmy Breslin\'s biography of Damon Runyan, it includes
a fascinating retelling of a day at the races that Runyan enjoyed with Pancho
Villa. On that day Runyan met his future wife, Patrice, who was 12 years old at
the time, making the Luv Guv\'s \"twinkie\" an old woman by comparison...
Breslin\'s Damon Runyan a great read, but his best stuff may have come in \"The
Gang that Couldn\'t Shoot Straight\", where he describes the wife of a Mafia
chieftan who went out in a fur coat each morning to start her paranoid
husband\'s Cadillac.
Also in Laura Hillenbrand\'s \"Seabiscuit\", a huge flood at the Tijuana Race track
is described, a flood which wiped out the track and resulted in a lot of the
thoroughbreds running free in the countryside. Hillenbrand
describes \"impoverished mountain dwelling Mexicans, who usually got around on
wormy little burros, ...cantering through town in high style, straddling blue
blooded thoroughbreds...\"
In Re War Pass:
1) Zito says he was cut up, which will lead to treatment with antibiotics, and
as TGJB points out, this will lead to missed time.
2) Flighted: I disagree. I think if War Pass makes the Wood, he is closer to
7/5 than 7/2.
3) If WP runs in the Wood, he does not get the benefit of using this race as a
final Derby prep which he can approach 90% cranked. Since he got very little
out of the TB Derby, he will need to be all out in the Wood. How does that
affect his Derby prospects?
4)Once again, the Triple Crown is a piece of headgear with one huge jewel (the
Derby) and two rhinestones. Why wouldn\'t LaPenta and Zito take the necessary
time, regroup and point for a Preakness which will likely feature a much shorter
field (not to mention a slightly shorter distance?).
5) Personally I am still following the development of two \"Tagg Team\" runners,
Tale of Ekati and Elysium Fields.
6) Final Derby prediction. If indeed there is a filly standing in the gate for
the Derby, that will be the filly that Winning Chuckles has been touting. The
reason the name of this filly has yet to be disclosed is because CtC is not
quite sure yet of who it might be. More prognosticration (a hybrid of prognosis
and procrastination) from your Chuckles, who has allegedly narrowed the
Presidential race down to Billary, Obama and McCain.
richiebee Wrote:
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>
> 3) If WP runs in the Wood, he does not get the
> benefit of using this race as a
> final Derby prep which he can approach 90%
> cranked. Since he got very little
> out of the TB Derby, he will need to be all out in
> the Wood. How does that
> affect his Derby prospects?
>
The Wood becomes the Derby divining rod. We\'ll know when we watch it unfold
> 4)Once again, the Triple Crown is a piece of
> headgear with one huge jewel (the
> Derby) and two rhinestones. Why wouldn\'t LaPenta
> and Zito take the necessary
> time, regroup and point for a Preakness which will
> likely feature a much shorter
> field (not to mention a slightly shorter
> distance?).
We are talking Nick Hero here. The Preakness is a fine race, but only if Strike the Gold or Go For Gin start with the Derby already under the belt.
>
> 5) Personally I am still following the development
> of two \"Tagg Team\" runners,
> Tale of Ekati and Elysium Fields.
Don\'t forget Big Truck
>
> 6) Final Derby prediction. If indeed there is a
> filly standing in the gate for
> the Derby, that will be the filly that Winning
> Chuckles has been touting. The
> reason the name of this filly has yet to be
> disclosed is because CtC is not
> quite sure yet of who it might be. More
> prognosticration (a hybrid of prognosis
> and procrastination) from your Chuckles, who has
> allegedly narrowed the
> Presidential race down to Billary, Obama and
> McCain.
Its the Equal Rights Era Richie. Hillary is on the verge of the either the nomination or smearing a good colt. Since within several equine venues the fillies have been at least as fast as the colts, I\'m in support of further smearing. And I do have a couple smearor candidates, but I\'m like Gore, I hold my endorsement until post time.
Chuckles_the_Clown2 Wrote:
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but I\'m like Gore, I
hold my endorsement until post time.
Chucksaichi Clownasus:
Yeah, but Gore says he was all over Global Warming 20 years ago... the
ultimate \"future\" selection?
True what you say about comparing colts to fillies in some instances,
like where Mott\'s Mushka\'s Demoiselle win at 9f was faster than Mott\'s
Court Vision\'s Remsen win at 9f less than one hour later over the same
track.
A historical note: The last 2 fillies to win the Derby both
had their final prep against colts: Winning Colors a tour de force 7
length win in the Santa Anita Derby (1988) and Genuine Risk a third place
finish in the Wood Memorial (1980).
To me it seems more likely that something was wrong with the horse because he was just too bad to believe. But I\'ve seen other horses run very poorly when roughed up for the first time. Right now he looks more like Commentator than Seattle Slew. ;-)
richiebee- i\'m definitely going to check out that breslin biography of damon runyan - i got to give fishel\'s text book like \"the secret war for the union \" a break ... i\'ve seen the gang that couldn\'t shoot straight many times , i\'m in stitches just thinking about it . and a couple great racing scenes too , one at atl ( i think ) and the sit down meeting ... been waiting for bob the gambler ( bob le flembard ) w/ sub-titles or dubbed english to turn up again somewhere . i\'m going to do like chuck and start thinking about the possibility of a fillie ( or a fresh face perhaps ) winning the triple crown or maybe a race - or two again this year ... any morning line on clinton / paterson ...
Certainly the odds will dictate the play and yes,the Wood is his chance for
redemption.However,I\'m still in camp Pyro.
tampa has a very short window on the telicast to the meadowlands where it shows the w/p/s pools. we were all waiting and waiting to see if there was a minus show pool which with 4 min left we saw way hugh.
pluncked dow 250 to show on the 5 and 20 more on each other horse.
score with almost no risk if the 5 shows. it did went home after that
Basket,
Teach us. What if War Pass hits the board, doesnt everything pay $2.10 to show and you risk losing like $350.00? in a most likely scenario?. I guess you figured WP to be off the board. You might be the only horsepalyer in the country who thought WP would be off the board and put their money up. Congrats!
Mike
I\'m not a show bettor. Too much risk for me.
1st you had to be relatively certain War Pass was gonna run a clunker bad enough to run out.
2nd you had to be confident Dynamic Wayne was gonna hit the board. (That was risky too) If Gentleman James had rated Wayne would not have hit the board.
Provided you select a board hitting show horse with your major bet you\'re guaranteed to get back most of your bet. (He spent a 100 bucks on the other five)
That wager paid off, but with that strategy you\'re gonna go through long loss and minor return spells.
Wrote:
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> Basket,
>
> Teach us. What if War Pass hits the board, doesnt
> everything pay $2.10 to show and you risk losing
> like $350.00? in a most likely scenario?. I guess
> you figured WP to be off the board. You might be
> the only horsepalyer in the country who thought WP
> would be off the board and put their money up.
> Congrats!
>
> Mike
basket777,
Is English your second language?
Seriously, as Miff already made clear, getting involved with show minus pools is not a good idea because you have to be right every time. Horse racing is not conducive to being right every time.
Seems the fever was not an issue according to Zito and everything is checking out ok. Zito may want to check WP\'s heart, it may not be too big.
Mike
By JAY PRIVMAN
For a guy who admitted to \"having one of the worst nights of my life on Saturday,\" trainer Nick Zito sounded far better on Monday, two days after War Pass turned in an inexplicably dreadful effort when losing for the first time in the Tampa Bay Derby.
As of Monday, Zito said he could find nothing wrong with War Pass. Barring anything untoward coming to the fore, Zito said he was going to throw the race out and move on, as previously planned, to the Grade 1, $750,000 Wood Memorial at Aqueduct on April 5 as a final prep for the Kentucky Derby on May 3 at Churchill Downs.
Zito, speaking Monday from the Palm Meadows training center in Florida, where he and War Pass have been based this winter, said: \"We scoped him. Everything was perfect. We took X-rays. No change. We\'ll keep taking more today. He\'ll go back to the track on Wednesday.
\"I\'m baffled right now. We know whatever happened, that wasn\'t him. That we know.\"
Zito opined that perhaps War Pass did not care for the surface at Tampa - he had never previously raced there.
\"He always likes to hear his feet rattle,\" Zito said of War Pass, last year\'s 2-year-old champion.
Zito objected to the widely reported characterization of War Pass running days after having a fever, which is what co-owner Robert LaPenta was reported to have told some media members immediately following the race
\"He did not have a fever,\" Zito said. \"Fever means you\'re sick. On my mother\'s life, he never missed an oat. His temperature was a little high, just slightly, last Sunday, but he was fine the rest of the week. Just to make sure, we took a blood on him on Thursday, and it was perfect. He did not have a fever. That\'s not why he got beat. Why did he get beat? That\'s what we are trying to figure out.
miff Wrote:
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> Basket,
>
> Teach us. What if War Pass hits the board, doesnt
> everything pay $2.10 to show and you risk losing
> like $350.00? in a most likely scenario?. I guess
> you figured WP to be off the board. You might be
> the only horsepalyer in the country who thought WP
> would be off the board and put their money up.
> Congrats!
>
> Mike
Basket was not the only one who thought that War Pass would run a stinker..I hammered the show bet on Big Truck and Atoned (The only two horses in the race as far as I was concerned) It looks like a lot of people thought the same also considering the payoffs in the exotics..real low..I said it before War Pass seems to be an uncontrollable speed type...when those kinds get looked in the eye they usually crack. This horse is not as good as the hype...Stick a fork in him...
I had a nice filly a few years ago that won 10 races lifetime. She ran several times at Tampa as a 2 yo and 3 yo and rarely hit the board. The last race she had at Tampa as a 3 yo was in a $10,000 claimer and she was out of the money. In her next race,a month later at Turfway in a $30,000 claimer, she destroyed the field. She went on to win several races in allowance company at Churchill.
Some of them just don\'t like Tampa.
Thanks for letting me know my shortcomings.
basket 777,
Since I apparently hurt your feelings, I apologize.