Apparently it was anounced yesterday that the first day of the 2 day Breeders
Cup events would be devoted to the BC races for Fillies and Mares. There will be
some tie in with female issues with the days races.
Hey lets get Frank Stronach\'s Sunshine Millions cheerleaders back in action.
And, hell, if we are going to celebrate females and femininity, why not have all
the Friday BC female racers ridden by female jockeys?
The \"gimmickization\" of the Breeders Cup. People are paid to come up with these ideas?
I have frequently compared Racing to the Titanic. The captain of the Titanic
apparently ignored warnings about icebergs; in the case of Racing it seems that
those in the wheelehouse are steering the ship directly at the icebergs.
richiebee Wrote:
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> The \"gimmickization\" of the Breeders Cup. People are paid to come up with these
> ideas?
>
> I have frequently compared Racing to the Titanic. The captain of the Titanic
> apparently ignored warnings about icebergs; in the case of Racing it seems that
> those in the wheelehouse are steering the ship directly at the icebergs.
>
I\'ve heard people bemoan the change in the Breeders\' Cup without really offering why this is worse than what it had been?
All the female races on one day is a gimmick. I think putting all the two-year-old races one one day (plus the dirt marathon just to even things out) would have been a better gimmick, but that\'s just me.
Still, I like the idea of livening up the Friday card with Grade 1 races. Before there were zero such races on Friday, and now there are three plus another (the F&M sprint) that is likely to determine a championship.
EdD
They have managed to dilute the product further, not a surprise from the BC people. Talk about a dumb bunch, wow, first they pick Santa two years running, now this.
Ever wonder why they don\'t play two Superbowls?
Mike
EJXD2 Wrote:
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> richiebee Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The \"gimmickization\" of the Breeders Cup. People
> are paid to come up with these
> > ideas?
> >
> > I have frequently compared Racing to the
> Titanic. The captain of the Titanic
> > apparently ignored warnings about icebergs; in
> the case of Racing it seems that
> > those in the wheelehouse are steering the ship
> directly at the icebergs.
> >
>
> I\'ve heard people bemoan the change in the
> Breeders\' Cup without really offering why this is
> worse than what it had been?
>
> All the female races on one day is a gimmick. I
> think putting all the two-year-old races one one
> day (plus the dirt marathon just to even things
> out) would have been a better gimmick, but that\'s
> just me.
>
> Still, I like the idea of livening up the Friday
> card with Grade 1 races. Before there were zero
> such races on Friday, and now there are three plus
> another (the F&M sprint) that is likely to
> determine a championship.
>
> EdD
2008 Breeders' Cup Schedule of Races
Friday, October 24
$2 million Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies (gr. I)
$1 million Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies Turf
$1 million Breeders' Cup Filly and Mare Sprint
$2 million Breeders' Cup Filly and Mare Turf (gr. IT)
$2 million Breeders' Cup Ladies\' Classic (gr. I)
Saturday, October 25
$1 million Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf
$1 million Breeders' Cup Dirt Mile
$1 million Breeders' Cup Turf Sprint
$2 million Breeders' Cup Juvenile (gr. I)
$2 million Breeders' Cup Sprint (gr. I)
$2 million Breeders' Cup Mile (gr. IT)
$3 million Breeders' Cup Turf (gr. IT)
$5 million Breeders' Cup Classic (gr. I)
$500,000 Breeders' Cup Marathon
I agree..I have no problem with an additional day of quality racing on a national stage. Gives me another chance to take the casual Breeders\' Cup gambler\'s money..What exactly is everyone\'s beef with this?
I feel sorry for TG as they now have more races to give anaysis on...
Respectfully guys, I never said that the addition of new BC races was a bad
thing; what I did mean to say that the artificial separation of races for males
and females serves no practical purpose and will probably go down as another
failed attempt at promotion of the sport and the BC event.
But I am not one to criticize an idea without proposing one of my own. Since we
are going in that direction eventually lets expand the Breeders Cup to 17 races
and I am being serious here.
Start with the 7 \"Legacy\" races, the races that were run at BC One at Hollywood
in 1984: Classic, Turf Classic, Sprint, Turf Mile, Distaff, Juvie, Juvie
Fillies= 7
Add to the mix the newly added events: F/M Turf, F/M Sprint, Dirt (or Synth)
Mile, Juvie Turf, Juvie Filly Turf, Marathon = 6
4 new BC races: Turf Sprint, F/M Turf Sprint, Juvie Sprint (main track), Juvie
Filly Sprint (main track) (I think these one turn 2YO races would fill easily).
Would all of these races have full fields? Depends on if you made the Euros part
of the program and encouraged their participation. Alan Shuback in DRF predicted
decreased Euro participation at the 2 upcoming SA BCs. He said it, I didn\'t.
Spread the 17 races over 3 days-- Friday, Saturday Sunday. Do not separate them
by age, gender or surface. Optimally, out of respect for tradition, the Legacy
races would be run on Sunday.
Run the Claiming Crown races at the same venue as the BC is being held on the
Thursday preceding the BC races or the Monday following the BC races (I
personally think the Claiming Crown races are very promotable even though I
have never placed a single wager on this event). Some Quarter Horse
championships the same weekend? Why not.
Run the standardbred equivalent of the BC on the same weekend in the same City
as BC or somewhere close--maybe on the Saturday night of the big weekend.The
less I say about harness racing the better.
Call it \"America\'s Weekend at the Races\". Find a network and some advertisers
who are serious and competent and willing to present these races on TV properly.
Cross promote with other aspects of the Equine Industry. Celebrate the horse
and its place in American history (face it in 20 years the average American
schoolkid is going to think a horse is something a NASCAR driver used to crash
into cement walls).
The biggest 3 day H\'capping Contest ever held, a 3 day all BC marathon of
wagering to see who the best Capper of the year is? Positutely, as long as you
dont try to televise it (Crist called the one hour telecast of a past DRF
handicapping championship the worst hour ever on TV. He said it, I didn\'t.)
Multiple race wagers which carry over the three days-- How about a Pick 6 which
includes 2 races each day?
Enough already. Its obvious no one pays me to create ideas, cause I could have
sat in solitary for 24 hours with pad and pen and NEVER came up with the
BRILLIANT idea to break out the female races and promote that separation of
females from males.
I think most female racing fans will be insulted. As a racing fan I find it
inane that fillies and mares will have their own day; for as long as I can
recall it seems as if the great females were allowed to perform on the same
stage--on the same day-- as their male counterparts.
There\'s some good ideas here, but one thing that will never happen is big-time racing going up against the NFL, so you\'d have to keep it to Wednesday-Saturday.
The Claiming Crown on the Thursday before is interesting.
EdD
richiebee Wrote:
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> Respectfully guys, I never said that the addition
> of new BC races was a bad
> thing; what I did mean to say that the artificial
> separation of races for males
> and females serves no practical purpose and will
> probably go down as another
> failed attempt at promotion of the sport and the
> BC event.
>
> But I am not one to criticize an idea without
> proposing one of my own. Since we
> are going in that direction eventually lets expand
> the Breeders Cup to 17 races
> and I am being serious here.
>
> Start with the 7 \"Legacy\" races, the races that
> were run at BC One at Hollywood
> in 1984: Classic, Turf Classic, Sprint, Turf Mile,
> Distaff, Juvie, Juvie
> Fillies= 7
>
> Add to the mix the newly added events: F/M Turf,
> F/M Sprint, Dirt (or Synth)
> Mile, Juvie Turf, Juvie Filly Turf, Marathon = 6
>
> 4 new BC races: Turf Sprint, F/M Turf Sprint,
> Juvie Sprint, Juvie Filly Sprint.
>
> Would all of these races have full fields? Depends
> on if you made the Euros part
> of the program and encouraged their participation.
> Alan Shuback in DRF predicted
> decreased BC participation at the 2 upcoming SA
> BCs. He said it, I didn\'t.
>
> Spread the 17 races over 3 days-- Friday, Saturday
> Sunday. Do not separate them
> by age, gender or surface. Optimally, out of
> respect for tradition, the Legacy
> races would be run on Sunday.
>
> Run the Claiming Crown races at the same venue as
> the BC is being held on the
> Thursday preceding the BC races or the Monday
> following the BC races (I
> personally think the Claiming Crown races are very
> promotable even though I
> have never placed a single wager on this event).
> Some Quarter Horse
> championships the same weekend? Why not.
>
> Run the standardbred equivalent of the BC on the
> same weekend in the same City
> as BC or somewhere close--maybe on the Saturday
> night of the big weekend.The
> less I say about harness racing the better.
>
> Call it \"America\'s Weekend at the Races\". Find a
> network and some advertisers
> who are serious and competent and willing to
> present these races on TV properly.
> Cross promote with other aspects of the Equine
> Industry. Celebrate the horse
> and its place in American history (face it in 20
> years the average American
> schoolkid is going to think a horse is something a
> NASCAR driver used to crash
> into cement walls).
>
> The biggest 3 day H\'capping Contest ever held, a 3
> day all BC marathon of
> wagering to see who the best Capper of the year
> is? Positutely, as long as you
> dont try to televise it (Crist called the one hour
> telecast of a past DRF
> handicapping championship the worst hour ever on
> TV).
>
> Multiple race wagers which carry over the three
> days-- How about a Pick 6 which
> includes 2 races each day?
>
> Enough already. Its obvious no one pays me to
> create ideas, cause I could have
> sat in solitary for 24 hours with pad and pen and
> NEVER came up with the
> BRILLIANT idea to break out the female races and
> promote that separation of
> females from males.
>
> I think most female racing fans will be insulted.
> As a racing fan I find it
> inane that fillies and mares will have their own
> day; for as long as I can
> recall it seems as if the great females were
> allowed to perform on the same
> stage--on the same day-- as their male
> counterparts.
I like the new races, but have to admit this is the first I\'m aware of the \"Marathon\". I think I\'d call it \"The Breeders Cup Tradition\". With Marathon, they\'ve overdone the description a bit. I\'d think a Marathon would be 2 miles like Jockey Club Gold Cups Kelso won, but for the time being I\'m content with its addition, (even if currently ungraded). I foresee this race being the Grand Daddy of them all in 10 years and providing the impetus, along with the Congress, to get the breed back to where it was in the Late sixties and early seventies.
Its a start
They made some mistakes, but they also planted some magic seeds
Very well put Lost. I refer to those days as Dumb de dumb dumb days when a lot of easy money is there for the taking.
Way to go - imo , i\'d like it expanded even more to include exhibition events , gate , hunt , arabian and quarter horse races . Make it a 5 day long weekend festival ! Throw in cadillac sponsorship to promote the races , and a.m. celebrity croquet in the saddling area to help the BC compete with the NFL ...