Another great days guys.
Four in a Row and Five out of Seven with One More to Go
TOOOOO MUCH GREY GOOSE for you........TG pounded the last three. I limp away to fight another day.
Well, I just want to thank Thorograph and whoever said hard spun liked the slop- I nailed the 9 tri on a $2 bet, got cobalt to win, the 5th tri and exacta in 11! There\'s no way I would have had a good day without all your expertize helping me on. I know it\'s not much to you experts, but I almost passed out when I won the 9th- it was so exciting. I hope it doesn\'t sound like I\'m boasting, I\'m just so excited and I really am grateful to Thorograph and all you guys. Do you really have lap dancers and Dom? I\'m getting a jump on Christmas! Thanks so much!
Had I pulled the trigger on Kip DeVille I would have had a good day. I went with No Biz and Cosmonaut and got schooled. Octave was my last gasp and mid stretch I thought it was gravy, but she just can\'t find another gear late. Fun day but I came home with less than I went with. Had I spent another $15 on the seminar (Doh!) I would have won today. Coolmore has a long trip home. Bummer to be sure for them
Is it me or does this board seem to be hyping JB\'s picks a little too much...I don\'t think you can say TG is on fire...I went through each race and if you went by his comments...it would have been hard to have a good Breeders Cup. He touted English Channel and War Pass but they were short priced...and I didn\'t need sheets or JB to like either. Kudos on the Kip Deville pick...But with those winners..he was way off with the exotics...I don\'t believe he picked one exacta.. His strongest picks were La Traviata and Discreet Cat who both ran up the track on Friday. You could not have had Lahudood....He didn\'t like Midnight Lute or Indian Blessing....No doubt that racing is a tough game..but when you\'re selling a product and have all this information behind your picks..I guess I would just expect a little better.
For those of you that come right here, and don\'t go through the main page, the seminar is up for review in our archives.
http://www.thorograph.com/archive.php?utid=phorumbc2k7
The Analysis will be available in the Redboard Room tomorrow.
APny:
...to be fair, I think the analysis of the Distaff pointed to a $140 exacta, if
I remember correctly.
The key to the distaff was to marginalize the Plech runners. I just wish Rags had made the field is all.
It was a very good day to move all Plech horses down. That said, he really didn\'t have that many going.
Great Day for the once and future king Bobby Baffert, who shows more knowledge in a well chosen joke than Plech will garner by the time hes 70.
The best horse won the Classic, but that second place horse is a game animal. I hope they run him next year. If they do, he\'ll win everything.
richiebee Wrote:
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> APny:
>
> ...to be fair, I think the analysis of the Distaff
> pointed to a $140 exacta, if
> I remember correctly.
Excellent point by someone on ESPN comparing Pletcher to A-Rod.
Racing reduced to no National TV and an ESPN top Sports Honcho who is more inclined to show last year\'s poker/hold em tourneys, biking etc.,anything but horse racing.They cut from every post parade except the classic to hype college football, after all who wants to see the horses parade and how they look.
The poor weather, mainly, and the lack of advertising made this BC a betting handle failure.Kenny Mane is a clown, Hank Greenburg is an on air drunk(their gambling guru)Jerry (the Ego) Bailey is ok and poor Randy Moss is a lonely solid pro giving true racing fans pertinent info.
Almost nothing about shoes on a day like that, unbelievable. Caulks and bends did very well, I heard, and finding out who was wearing them was almost impossible if you were not at Monmouth.
Mike
I was on track and I have to say I thought Monmouth did a real nice job with the event...It was my first Breeders Cup and I had a blast..despite not cashing too many tickets. Crowds were manageable...Stood at the rail of the paddock for 2 races including the paddock...it was great to see u close. I hope the track gets another chance at it in the future with hopefully better weather. Did anyone see the ad in the program bought by Sam Houston Racepark? I guess they want to host the BC in 2010....let\'s hope they\'re not serious.
Somebody had interviewed Larry Jones earlier in the ESPN show and he indicated his horses would be wearing mud caulks but they said nothing about all the others.
Hank Greenberg is a complete ass. Jerry Bailey is an insufferable gas-bag and Randy Moss just had to bring up the tawdry legal problems the previous owners of Curlin were going through (re. the Fen-Fen fraud case) in a failed attempt to add some journalistic integrity to the post-race discussion. I think it was just non-sense. The whole thing was sad.
Let them run the Quarter Horse Championship Event in Texas. That Breeders Cup at Lone Star was a joke and Texas forfeit the right to ever host another Breeders Cup. Fans would rather run the damn event on Poly every year than ever in Texas again.
Texas has lost in every big event since the Alamo. Besides, Texas really isn\'t part of the United States any way. It\'s really Northern Mexico and we should give it back. They can run their Thoroughbred Championship there if they wish.
APny Wrote:
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> I was on track and I have to say I thought
> Monmouth did a real nice job with the event...It
> was my first Breeders Cup and I had a
> blast..despite not cashing too many tickets.
> Crowds were manageable...Stood at the rail of the
> paddock for 2 races including the paddock...it was
> great to see u close. I hope the track gets
> another chance at it in the future with hopefully
> better weather. Did anyone see the ad in the
> program bought by Sam Houston Racepark? I guess
> they want to host the BC in 2010....let\'s hope
> they\'re not serious.
Bailey is a gas bag isn\'t he?...lol
Hes not a very good handicapper. Now we know it wasn\'t him making the correct calls on mounts.
Blind Switch Wrote:
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> Somebody had interviewed Larry Jones earlier in
> the ESPN show and he indicated his horses would be
> wearing mud caulks but they said nothing about all
> the others.
>
> Hank Greenberg is a complete ass. Jerry Bailey is
> an insufferable gas-bag and Randy Moss just had to
> bring up the tawdry legal problems the previous
> owners of Curlin were going through (re. the
> Fen-Fen fraud case) in a failed attempt to add
> some journalistic integrity to the post-race
> discussion. I think it was just non-sense. The
> whole thing was sad.
It\'s called dumbing down.
Why is the BC held during the World Series, the height of the college football season BCS mess,the middle of the NFL season and the beginning of the NBA season? Makes no sense to me. And - on top of that - ESPN is also the NASCAR channel now. WAKE UP Breeders Cup! It will get NO coverage, especially on ESPN, if its held this time of year. How many station promos did you see on ESPN in the weeks leading up to the big event?
Wouldn\'t it be feaseable to hold the Breeder\'s Cup in the middle of February rotating it between Florida and California? After the Super Bowl is played the first Sunday in February, there\'s a huge drop off in sports interest and media coverage. If the NTRA and BC are serious about promoting horse racing, which it should be, they will pull their collective heads out.
Chuckles_the_Clown2 Wrote:
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> Bailey is a gas bag isn\'t he?...lol
>
> Hes not a very good handicapper. Now we know it
> wasn\'t him making the correct calls on mounts.
He would make better sense if he still used Ron Anderson to do this part of his work. If I were him, I would retain Ron Anderson again, in time to make some sense on TV, while there is still time to regroup on his PROFESSIONAL image. At least in terms of analyzing races. He was hard to like when he was doing HIS thing, which was impressively consistent; now he\'s embarrassing himself. Which I thought I had been waiting years to see, but I take no delight. Actually, all he would have to do is subscribe to you know what, then add his personal twist.
skip
Silver Charm, what were you referring to? I just looked at the Analyis package in the Redboard Room and I see only two possible bets cashed all day (11 races). One possible cash was a 4-horse \"box\" in the 9th. The Analysis wasn\'t specific about whether the recommended 4-horse \"box\" was an Exacta, a Trifecta, or a Super. If we assume that \"box\" meant Exacta then it was a cash. If the \"box\" was used in either the Tri or the Super then it was a no-cash. The other cashed race was the straight Win bet on Curlin in the Classic \"at 4-1 or greater\". So I see 1 for-sure cash and 1 maybe cash out of a slew of recommended bets. So how did you come up with the \"Five out of Seven\" tally?
Juvy Filly-Loser
Juvy-With the inside draw War Pass will almost certainly save ground on both turns,he's going to be very tough.
F&M Turf-Loser
Sprint-Midnight Lute and Benny The Bull definitely scare us,but with just one big effort each and the prospect of a tough trip we'll take our chances.
Mile Turf-Kip Deville is the most likely winner of the race
Distaff-Ginger Punch,Lady Joanne, and Unbridled Belle look strongest here.,
Turf-English Channel is the most likely winner.
Classic-Curlin is the most solid of the contenders
JimP that is the Late Pick Four, which paid $1,500 for a dollar the Late Pick Three which paid $150 for a dollar and five out of six in the Pick-Six with their primary selction in the Filly and Mare Turf (Wait a While) being scratched.
Uncle Buck Wrote:
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> Why is the BC held during the World Series, the
> height of the college football season BCS mess,the
> middle of the NFL season and the beginning of the
> NBA season? Makes no sense to me. And - on top of
> that - ESPN is also the NASCAR channel now. WAKE
> UP Breeders Cup! It will get NO coverage,
> especially on ESPN, if its held this time of year.
> How many station promos did you see on ESPN in the
> weeks leading up to the big event?
>
> Wouldn\'t it be feaseable to hold the Breeder\'s Cup
> in the middle of February rotating it between
> Florida and California? After the Super Bowl is
> played the first Sunday in February, there\'s a
> huge drop off in sports interest and media
> coverage. If the NTRA and BC are serious about
> promoting horse racing, which it should be, they
> will pull their collective heads out.
Uncle:
A few comments:
1) This was the 24th Breeder\'s Cup ever conducted. I believe it is fair to say
that as much as racing fans and horseplayers love the BC, it has not become a
mainstream event. The only time that the public really gets involved is on the
first Saturday in May and maybe on the first Saturday in June if a Triple Crown
is on the line. The Breeder\'s Cup has not \"crossed over\". The truth is that
Racing never will cross over because Racing\'s efforts to cultivate a fan base
are laughable.
2) Given that the BC has not really been accepted by the general public,
sponsors are not going to be overly enthusiastic about supporting BCTV. All of
the BC sponsors are entities which have a longstanding connection with racing,
such as Emirates Air (owned by the Dubai Brothers) and Bessemer Trust (owned by
the Phipps Family). Seven hours of programming and not a single ad for beer,
fast food or soda. Something wrong with that picture. (I do not know if Dodge,
John Deere, Emirates Air, Bessemer, etc pay for BC advertising exclusivity, but
the same ads are seen over and over again).
3) I know ESPN has an extended contract to carry the BC, but the truth is I
would like to see the telecast produced by an entity which specializes in horse
racing broadcasting and offered on a pay-per-view basis. Lets say for $100 you
would get 8 hours a day of live programming for the 10 days leading up to the BC
(interviews, analysis of prep races, replays of old BC races, a few hours of
programming along the lines of TVG\'s \"Works\", handicapping seminars, etc), all
culminating with an uninterrupted BC broadcast on race day which features in
depth analysis of track condition, equipment, etc and also features extensive
coverage of pre race warm ups and gallop outs. This broadcast would be
presented with a web site which offers will pays and multiple race probables.
Cmon Buck I see you reaching for that $100 already...
4) To hold the BC in February at either Gulfstream or one of the California
tracks solves the weather problem, but unfortunately excludes what are (still)
the two primary racing venues in the US-- Kentucky and New York. And Woodbine
and Arlington are especially well suited to host BCs with their expansive turf
courses. Furthermore, Gulfstream has been rendered unfit to host a BC due to
extensive \"Stronachization\" of the facility.
Richie,
Speaking of Frank, while he was being interviewed for Ginger Punch, I could not hear what he was saying at Monmouth, but somehow I thought I read his lips ...\"I am a great Breeder or horses but I also have a couple of Race tracks for sale \"..........
NC Tony
Yes they have a series called the Sunshine Millions which actually does quite well, but excludes the primary breeding state........
NC Tony
I have pictures of what jerry was doing after the races.....
NC Tony
I guess you aren\'t using the picks that TG made in the Analysis product. That was my reference. I recommend you check that out since it has specifc picks rather than the general comments that came with the Sheets. I got the Sheets and made my own picks from that. The figures were sound. The TG handicapping in the Analysis was not quite so sound.
> Wouldn\'t it be feaseable to hold the Breeder\'s Cup
> in the middle of February rotating it between
> Florida and California?
Hardcore handicappers constantly forget about the live animals involved
All TB\'s have Jan 1 as a birthday. An early-year Breeders Cup would be empty of horses. Zero two-year olds, and three-year-olds with 2 races under their belt.
The concept of a \"revolving site\" for the Breeders\' Cup is partially to blame. In America, you can market a box of rocks and some fool will buy it.... if they know where to go to buy it.
The KY Derby is a great example. Louisville is a difficult city to fly in or out of. (On a Saturday evening, there are NO FLIGHTS to Louisville from Philly, Newark, JFK or LAG.) In fact, Louisville would not even be on the map if it were not for the KY Derby. Yet the Derby regularly sells 130,000 seats for ONE RACE and TV ratings dwarf those of the Breeders Cup, racing\'s BIGGEST DAY with 11 RACES.
It\'s all in the marketing.
You\'ve got me curious- can you post them on a website or picture sharing site?