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Title: Trainers Say Polytrack Breaking Horses Down
Post by: Silver Charm on October 12, 2007, 04:52:30 AM
These guys can not be dismissed a disgruntled gamblers who have lost bets. These guys are disgruntled trainers who have lost horses and now have questions.

Guess what since there were no implementation studies performed nobody has any answers............

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071012/SPORTS08/710120408
Title: Re: Trainers Say Polytrack Breaking Horses Down
Post by: EJXD2 on October 12, 2007, 09:22:21 AM
Your subject line is curious since only one trainer (not trainers) blamed Polytrack for the injuries. Incidentally, that trainer spent all summer at Arlington, so I guess Polytrack didn\'t bother him so much then.

Romans explicitly said he does not blame the surface, though he agreed it\'s an interesting sequence of events meriting scrutiny.

Bramlage, one of the most respected authorities on THE HORSE in the game, said he\'s a fan of synthetic surfaces.

EdD

Silver Charm Wrote:
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> These guys can not be dismissed a disgruntled
> gamblers who have lost bets. These guys are
> disgruntled trainers who have lost horses and now
> have questions.
>
> Guess what since there were no implementation
> studies performed nobody has any
> answers............
>
> http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic
> le?AID=/20071012/SPORTS08/710120408
Title: Re: Trainers Say Polytrack Breaking Horses Down
Post by: JohnTChance on October 12, 2007, 11:24:47 AM
The powers that be in the racing industry believe that artificial surfaces help reduce breakdowns. And they\'re right. After all, if you fall onto chopped-up rubber, you\'re going to crack your bones much less than if you fall onto hard concrete. But the real reason for breakdowns is, of course, drugs - specifically steroids, which effect bone and change physiology anti-Mother Nature in subtle ways we can\'t easily notice. Shiny apples on the outside, bruised inside. And when you constantly bang on dem changing immature bones, bad things are going to happen.

The article mentions the three that broke down.

TEUFLESBERG had been in constant training all his competitive life. Let\'s try him short. Let\'s try him long. Let\'s try him on the turf. Bam bam bam. Give the poor colt a rest! Trainer Jamie Sanders doesn\'t win many, but when Nick Zito\'s former assistant brought the colt to New York on Belmont Day and he ran a stupendous -1 [!!!; after stumbling badly!] to win the Woody Stephens BC Sprint, had the animal met up with Zito\'s vet prior to that race? Anyone who thinks the colt ran that -1 without being injected is kidding themselves.

RAIN ON THE PLAIN was trained by William Fires, a trainer who can light up the tote. Check Fires\' sheets and tell me there are no \"anti-theory\" efforts there.

GOLD TRAIN was trained by Dale Romans. Romans\' vet is \"steroid man\" White Mercedes.

World-renowned surgeon Dr. Bramlage said the cluster of breakdowns could simply be \"an aberration with no logical explanation.\" I\'m willing to believe him only to a certain point. I think it\'s very logical.
Title: Re: Trainers Say Polytrack Breaking Horses Down
Post by: rosewood on October 12, 2007, 12:18:42 PM
Sir,
Your observations and comments are right on.

I for one; do not think your thoughts make you a MORON or a CONSPIRACY IDIOT,
 as you will probably be called by some large owners and self proclaimed sophisticated gamblers.

Thanks for posting your thoughts.
Title: Re: Trainers Say Polytrack Breaking Horses Down
Post by: sighthound on October 12, 2007, 06:00:37 PM
JohnTChance Wrote:
> The article mentions the three that broke down.

Do you have information on these colts that isn\'t public?  What physical problems they had, or didn\'t have?  What makes you assume the track or drugs caused the breakdowns?
Title: Re: Trainers Say Polytrack Breaking Horses Down
Post by: NoCarolinaTony on October 16, 2007, 03:30:46 PM
There could also be one other thing that John didn\'t mention about Trainer Sanders, and that she is considered to be one of the most liquored up trainers on the backside. Perhaps the roids and the dead brain cells all got in the way.

I was on track that day, and we had a fellow we call the \"SHOE-MAN\" there providing the confirmation report on the horses saddling up. The call comes in and he tells us that Tueflesberg will be lucky is doesn\'t breakdown during the race. In fact another horse actually died in the saddling ring before the race.

If the \"SHOE-MAN\" can tell the horse is lame before going on track then why can\'t trainer Sanders do the same?

NC Tony