TGJB,
I want to interview for the job of writing a win pool \"column\" on your ROTW.
I would love to have 5 minutes of your time, to propose to you a next step in
a wonderful relationship, maybe for the game. I dream big. I will testify to the efficacy of your firm, anytime, anywhere and be sincere, wordy or brief, in a suit or jeans.
What I would love most to do, in this my 63rd year, is qualify for a win pool consulting paragraph that could either go on the ROTW or another place of our choosing. I have watched with intent, every race in New York for the last 20 years, so many three times that it would stupid. Am I\'m not, just right brained.
I begged a guy in Ceasar\'s Tahoe to let me pay for a numnber - I demo\'d it, and it was stunning, but he was nuts and insisted that it wasn\'t perfect, even though I offered to fund the project. I lost my temper and started raging at him in the Racebook, and around some nice people, so I banished myself from that book, until I was invited back, by my favorite \"old style player.
I promise to be completely candid in any dialogue, here or privately. You can interview me here. My goal would be to contribute to win pool DNA, so that some of us who were dedicated to \"winning\" at any cost, share. I have a million true stories among which are how many times I bet Pompei and why, that bay that won the Sixty Sails. Starting with TG, after 20 years of paying attention with intention and limited, or at least in my mind, option. So, it was intense. I have children (7), step, bio and adopted, all of whom would testify as to life with Dad as he plays horses. Hasn\'t been easy, but this is plenty good enough, if it never gets better than it feels right now.
Jennifer Lewis really spoke for me on Oprah\'s show. I considered that ironic as I had email blitzed Oprah, (only one of its kind, a me) when she treated the same subject with obvious ignorance a few years ago, when I lived on Tahoe\'s west shore. December when its not so busy,
how about that for worst case, you agree to give me 5 minutes on the phone, during which I can state why you should talk to me longer. My email is my name hyphenated at yahoo.
Someone has to uphold win players, it should be in the breed, the element at least. Since the Pacific Class I have known I should hurry and get in on this number and it makes the rest of my life make sense,
Just in the name of fun, and I mean exactly that, I would love if my life ended with me touching with your firm for 5 minutes a week, and for one of them, you wanted to listen. I told the race book manager in Harrah\'s Tahoe, Steve Schoor, that he really shouldn\'t take Lemon Drop Kid in the Belmont and I loved the feeling of contribution. He liked me, but he didn\'t believe that; he didn\'t believe there could be REASON behind that, and that hurt my feelings.
Lastly, I don\'t want to be an ass here, but I am in a very remote location, and I don\'t think anyone here knows I play everyday, although they wonder. If they find out here, so be it, I just wouldn\'t choose to put it in their face, but they could take it by now, so that is safe. Soooo, tell me how to act here, five minutes won\'t hurt, you have to have 5 minutes for someone that has stayed the win pool and can prove it to your satisfaction.
I think I have a great life for a book, I want to make sure the finish is as it should be. I exercise, not for my health but to stay in the game. Well, it\'s the same thing. Here\'s exactly what I mean; I would think it was very cool, if in 20 months, I had won a million dollars with this tool, and we had a book, maybe a movie. ok, tell me how to contribute other than buy $200 a day. I am in that phase that says thank god. OK, very last thing, before I start telling the whole truth, I did bet Shakespeare to win, but I was embarrassed to say that - I also did lose the same wager on Red Zipper just as I posted. In fact, I used that win bet to cement a relationship with a pace player that I think can make some good noise. But that\'s the only fudge and I told him I was embarrassed to say that, so I could get a witness.
I apologize for this message if you read this far, but if you did, at least I must sound sincere? Room still for delusional, etc., and I do have papers. Most can\'t prove they are sane, on paper. Some guys go to school,and so go crazy. When you have time. It\'s a book. fun
skip
I like you Skip
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> I like you Skip
Horseplay!
go for it skip, they say 60 is the new 40 and 40 is the new 30 (thnx be to God for that one). Why not start a new venture. TG, while you are considering applications: can I have a \"Dear Sandie Column\" for all fellow fashionistas who love handicapping/thoroughbred racing and don\'t want to clutter your board with their questions ??
Joking, REAL QUEST: Is/was there a pool for the BC: If yes, when is the next one? Can you give me the dates? thnx v. much.
I tend to agree with spa on SS, unfortunately. I think his day came and went so he is a bet against for me in the BC, probably. We\'ll see how he fares next race !!
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> go for it skip, they say 60 is the new 40 and 40
> is the new 30 (thnx be to God for that one). Why
> not start a new venture.
Being a great spot win player isn\'t a new venture for me,
I would just like to play on a major league team. Boys play
team sports. Given how this game is received in some quarters,
I have been alone for a long time, and at this advanced age,
I have finally discovered a need for winning not only money,
but respect. I have been in denial about that a long time.
So, now I am out of the closet, I want the money and the glory.
OK, to God the glory, but the truth is helping someone else win
is more than fun, and applause is nice, too. If you play horses,
the acceptance of your neigbors, your community, your peers takes
on a little different meaning, and I am at the age/stage, where I
do want my children to be proud; I want in the Hall of Fame, is
what I really want I guess; me and Pete Rose!
I told a story here about the gold run in \'79; it was a true story.
I have many of those stories, mostly about horses, that are true.
My next level will be to use these figures to win onthousanddimes,
but my favorite way of doing that would be to do it in public, so
as to make a better story. But the story will sell, either way,
because it\'s true and it is unusual, and it has great hooks. Spots,
that\'s me. I can wait.
Have a great day, and a winning week end.
skip
Where is this job ad that people are applying for???
sorry, we should get back to handicapping. Esp. with the big weekend coming up. What\'s that expression: When the cat\'s away...?? Was all in fun. No ad.
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> sorry, we should get back to handicapping.
I wonder if there is something appropriate to do with this board time. I am in my office from no later than Thursday PM to play across the week end, or until I cry uncle, which is sometimes early Saturday afternoon. Other than exercise, stretching, sleeping, and eating, this screen is in front of my face, or within sight, at least.
My direct inquiry to the board is:
1) Is civilized chat about racing ok in off times, or
2) What does the board serve? What is our charter?
Every time we say go back to handicapping, no one talks, and if the feature to day was any example, I would see why. I want to represent others in the manner most deemed appropriate by the host and members. I just haven\'t experienced this mode of life til now. It\'s Like Sunday Morning,
It feels nice to be here, and thank you all.
Just to illustrate my point, should anyone want to talk about
any racing related question, I entertain conversation, as you surely noticed.
I might ask the mgt if I can change my handle to FAN, figures!
Speed, surface, position, distance, seasons, riders, trainers, stake horses, fillies, game, are all my favorite things, almost. Being ready for a NY card is my best favorite, ever.
Still
That has been my point for quite some time. Seems to me the board has gravitated towards griping about POLY/Juice/ Trainers & or Horses that have been juiced, superfluous pompous writers to be left nameless, plus an ever occasional TG/Mercedes stable put over (not implying anything negative here either) , if you are paying attention. Handicapping is not the primary mission of this board any longer.
But anyway, it can be salvaged. Alan B is quite the handicapper, as I have come to find over the past few years. Listen to his radio advice, Steve Byk does a great job using the product on his show/board as well.
Me thinks TGJB needs to set up two boards, one for pure handicapping and one for the rest of the stuff that seems to permeate the board. Maybe you need to pay for the handicapping board a certain small fee just to keep it pure. Just a thought.
NC Tony
NoCarolinaTony Wrote:
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> Still
Maybe you
> need to pay for the handicapping board a certain
> small fee just to keep it pure. Just a thought.
>
> NC Tony
What do you think would be fair?
I so agree that the non-handicapping related drivel has gotten old on this board. In EVERY sport there are individuals bending the rules to get an edge. (Imagine wagering on cycling?) But I believe the beauty of Thorograph is that it gives us an EDGE over other horseplayers. So over these next few weeks of top-notch fall racing I plan to go out on the \"edge\" and post some picks. Please join in.
What follows are what I sent to a friend of mine who\'s on his annual Vegas excursion:
Belmont Race 8
#3 Masseuse looks like great value to me. Betting her to win and boxing with #7 Rossinka.
Belmont Race 9
That would be the ROTW. I differ slightly from the analysis in choosing #2 Jet Propulsion to live up to that name on top. Exacta with #3 Kavafi and #6 Trippi\'s Storm.
Turfway Park Race 9
#12 I\'m In Love to win and place. Exacta box with #1 Danzon.
Santa Anita Race 7
Bomber #3 Sunday Geisha. Exactas with the 1 and 8.
Hawthorne Race 10
At the weights #4 Extreme Supreme to win.
Santa Anita Race 9
I\'ll go with the #3 Lewis Michael and #4 Tiago combo. Ending the day with doubles to #2 Midnighter in the last.
Good luck and enjoy on channel 602.
I like the bomber too. Rooting for Student Council but can\'t quibble with your choice in the Gold Cup. You did steal my thunder a bit (we\'ll see later today) and in the Redboard Room tomorrow with one of the selections.
BEL 7 - Symphony of Psalms - new top off the long layoff, backed up to secondary top off short rest when tried @ 9f for 1st time, been given 6 weeks off since, Frankel\'s good w/30-89 days off, going well L90 days, and en fuego last few days, good works, 2-2 over BEL Widener. Rewrite progressed well this year, obvious threat; hasn\'t raced in two months and shows one 3f breeze since, puzzling. Factual Contender is consistent and fast enough; may face too much pace pressure from Tishmeister and/or Lauren\'s Tizzy. Jesse\'s Justice sports good record but is slower than several these on TG, so will bet against @ short price.
BEL 8 - Wait A While looks tough, obvious, and a short price. Was very impressed w/the way Royal Highness ran down Irridescence in Beverly D. Hard to go past these two. Might give My Typhoon another chance, at least to crack the gimmicks, just on contrarian logic; guessing she\'ll go at least a couple notches higher than her 4-1 m.l. off the fiasco last out, and though she probably doesn\'t want this far, was 1.5 L behind @ stretch call going 11f in BC last year, and she sports a long string of figs that put her right in this. Al. Tango closed fast off slow pace in last and would consider at a big price; have hunch they\'re going to bet her in here.
BEL 9 - Though he looks a touch slower on TG than some of the others here I can\'t resist Kavafi and his 6-2-1 record in 13 starts @ a mile, gets Lasix, should get pace to run at. There was a discussion on this board recently about gut feeling, etc., thinking of that as I try to figure out just why Palace Episode scares me, saw the last race in person and for some reason like the way he looked, flashed talent as a juvenile, obviously got hurt; just rounding back into form? Trippi\'s Storm the other must use. Would consider throwing Woodlander in 3rd/4th on the off chance that he runs back to his occasional mildly competitive # w/the aid of a pace battle - surprised to see him fire a best-of-19 5f work on 9/16.
BEL 10 - Elusive Fox has speed and a competitive fig in this field of chronic losers, gets in light. Body Blows\'s opening # puts him on the fringes, and he\'s stuck outside, but in a field loaded w/1-fer pigs, have to consider a horse who won 1st out while overcoming trouble. The rail horse is a threat off last two #s but would use him in gimmicks, not on top, off 1-13 record.
SA 10th - Wing Forward - the old new face in a lousy field of regulars theory, working well, DRF tr. stats show he\'s good w/new stock and off layoffs, and, though the sample size is so small as to be probably meaningless, he is 3 for 5 adding Lasix. Would be happy w/ 1/2 the 12-1 ML.
Happy wagering, everyone.
SA race #7......The Golden Noodle will run a good one at 40/1 !!!!!!!
If I get that far intact, given my narrow comfort zone, the picture of Hard Spun galloping wide into the first turn in the Lane\'s End, and carrying on as if he were a fun thing, remains. And he punched me in the head while on First Defence. They are almost announcing or so it seems, the likely scenario. Can it be that simple? Embarrassing to think so small.
I listened to marcus last night and his take on HAW strip validated my own this past week, I will have that feed on to check as we go.
spa Wrote:
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> SA race #7......The Golden Noodle will run a good
> one at 40/1 !!!!!!!
Spa,
Used to sit by jack\'s dad at HAW,
you got the vet scratch covered, then?
I knew you were going to say this one, the other night.
This would make it fun
skip
Morning Line Fav Rewrite is being dismissed at 5-1 off 3-1 morning line. Probably due to light work tab but have to lean this way.
Solid win record and figures at the distance keep me interested.
Factual Contender shortens up and will probably not have the lead but has proven consistent enough. Will be in the mix early and late.
Rewrite up in time under Gomez.
Jack washed out the filly\'s mouth before putting the bridle on and was snitched out by the guard...........truth is stranger than fiction
spa Wrote:
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> Jack washed out the filly\'s mouth before putting
> the bridle on and was snitched out by the
> guard...........truth is stranger than fiction
I love you.
I was born almost exactly where he was, Jack I mean.
This is jake with me on the loose connections, hey
I have been in Califonia for 20 years - at the lake,
I thank you. No matter what happens with this one.
skip
Silver,
Agree w/ya, unfortunately I have to bet ahead of time these days due to cancelling a/c wagering. Stuck w/$30 win on the 5.
Put in P4s:
$2 P4 5,6,8/6,7,8/1,3,8/8,12
$2 P4 5/6,7,8/3/8,12
Also bet $40 win on the 3 in the Kelso and $10 saver on the 1...plus a bunch of gimmicks in the Kelso, in what turned into a classic display of poise-free, bad betting, calling out combos to the teller...we\'ll see, and what\'s the worst that can happen, I got cold beer and the bbq fire is starting to rev up and I got action!
Silver Charm Wrote:
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> Morning Line Fav Rewrite is being dismissed at 5-1
> off 3-1 morning line. Probably due to light work
> tab but have to lean this way.
>
> Solid win record and figures at the distance keep
> me interested.
>
> Factual Contender shortens up and will probably
> not have the lead but has proven consistent
> enough. Will be in the mix early and late.
>
> Rewrite up in time under Gomez.
I love this statement and how it\'s put, and when.
You guys here a lot? trivia is under the rug here. dr
I get it that I am on the board too much,
but I just want to make it clear, the reason is not to be weird,
but to win, and right now, as I sit here with you guys today,
most of everything I ever wanted is here now - OK that\'s the way some
Californians would talk.
PapaChach Wrote:
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> Silver,
>
> Agree w/ya, unfortunately I have to bet ahead of
> time these days due to cancelling a/c wagering.
> Stuck w/$30 win on the 5.
>
> Put in P4s:
>
> $2 P4 5,6,8/6,7,8/1,3,8/8,12
>
> $2 P4 5/6,7,8/3/8,12
>
> Also bet $40 win on the 3 in the Kelso and $10
> saver on the 1...plus a bunch of gimmicks in the
> Kelso, in what turned into a classic display of
> poise-free, bad betting, calling out combos to the
> teller...we\'ll see, and what\'s the worst that can
> happen, I got cold beer and the bbq fire is
> starting to rev up and I got action!
Papa - I just want to say that I can\'t read numbers with anything near the facility that I can Names, so I don\'t want you to think we aren\'t speaking, but to read you, I have to look down at the form, and I don\'t if names are used. skip
Thanks Stillinger
Saved with the Exacta so it wasn\'t a total loss.
Was beat on the bob with T. Pletch in Ky Cup Sprint.
Sending it in on Royal Highness in Flower Bowl.
Gotcha...my mentor always used numbers, I doubt he could name more than three other horses in history besides Secretariat....Well w/ 2 mins to post I can say that if I hadn\'t cancelled by a/c wagering, I\'d be plunging in on Rosinka @ the 15-1 or so.
Silver Charm Wrote:
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> Thanks Stillinger
>
> Saved with the Exacta so it wasn\'t a total loss.
>
> Was beat on the bob with T. Pletch in Ky Cup
> Sprint.
>
> Sending it in on Royal Highness in Flower Bowl.
she run big last time - it showed is what I mean
PapaChach Wrote:
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> Gotcha...my mentor always used numbers, I doubt he
> could name more than three other horses in history
> besides Secretariat....Well w/ 2 mins to post I
> can say that if I hadn\'t cancelled by a/c
> wagering, I\'d be plunging in on Rosinka @ the 15-1
> or so.
She really hits at the end and she is on one for sure.
Very strong in here, imo
damn if she\'d hung on i\'d be live to elusive fox and body blows in the pick four...i can take getting nipped at the end if it was by a horse i thought made ANY effing sense....
PapaChach Wrote:
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> damn if she\'d hung on i\'d be live to elusive fox
> and body blows in the pick four...i can take
> getting nipped at the end if it was by a horse i
> thought made ANY effing sense....
hey, I go in thinking my mare wait a while is back at 10f
on firm ground, and even tho I got straightened out here,
that sobered me. I am going to Spa though,because I still have
a strike to work with now. Way too much stuff on one day, W/E,
BC is a snap compared to the \"conference titles\". Especially if you
are slow as I am. Prep is going to be easier next week. gonna eat and watch now, noodles sounds good to me on the whole anti-science of a county in Nebraska.
out,
but here if someone needs something looked up, or something.
Tony said:
> Me thinks TGJB needs to set up two boards, one for
> pure handicapping and one for the rest of the
> stuff that seems to permeate the board. Maybe you
> need to pay for the handicapping board a certain
> small fee just to keep it pure. Just a thought.
>
> NC Tony
I asked.
skip
jesus, i know how this is going to look on the board, but don\'t excommunicate me without a hearing?
I sometimes have no idea what you\'re talking about, which is this case in this case, but I must say, I have enjoyed your oft-cryptic musings, and why sometimes they even relate to handicapping and betting! I personally NEED serious distraction at this point, with death and brain tumors hitting way too close to homeof late; the board\'s chatter, along with my weekly dips into the Saturday wagering pools, serve as extremely welcome and comforting diversions.
I had my own torrent of posts today - four in an afternoon is by far a track record for me. Not that the board suffers when I resort to my default position of lurking...though, to be completely immodest, I did tout a $31 winner in the SA 10th... said pony got me out and a little bit for the day, and I wouldn\'t even be so gauche as to mention it but if it\'s OK to brag about correctly predicting Hard Spun would go favored then I consider myself excused...
all of which serves as a very roundabout way of asking anyone interested in answering:
- any thoughts on the Derby winner\'s effort today? he seemed to take a couple shots at the winner along the way, and got turned down. Obviously the winner had the mother of all set-ups...was this a perfect Classic prep for SS, or are his best days are behind him?
- what of the Kelso? any BC Mile contenders in there?
- is Tiago gonna be the wise-guy special in the Classic? Or does he actually rate a chance?
Lotta replays to watch, eh?
Personal betting/watching sidebar: I pretty much stunk all day, bet the last four from BEL pretty much like I posted, and had also left a bet on SA 10, stuck w/posted pick...was shocked to see Rosinka @ 17-1, as I mentioned earlier, would have bet her @ that price if I had a wagering a/c that took NY, had her in p4, glad I closed my online a/c! would have been a tough beat...I had win $$ on Kavafi but could have made money w/winner and show horse if Woodlander had run 3rd or 4th and he ran 4th but I 100% whiffed on After Market, totally tossed him, and it cost me...anyway, got the kids to bed and sat down in front of the telly (sorry, my wife\'s English) to wait for my last bullet, Wing Forward in SA 10...promptly fell asleep, with a beer in my hand...wife woke me up and chided me for trying to sleep and hang on to the beer at the same time...anyway as I\'m waking up I see the payouts on the race...it was neck, nose, nose, separating the top three according to the chart, would have been fun to have seen it!
You are too kind,nice to hear. W\'s are W\'s,but I go through all the other stuff, and have for 44 years, just TO WATCH with a clear conscience. And you nap through bombing runs. Damn. I am highlighting what I thought about Hard Spun and I will admit in public, I do stuff like that. For exactly this reason:\"the mother of all set-ups\" and it\'s the pool I like best, keeps my mind focused to have only one thing to think about. Who\'s going to win. Simplistic, why would I lie?
A guy that was reviewing me one time, the director of data processing then, at Wards in CHGO said he gave me solid A\'s on my review and a maximum increase (another time out era). I objected when he stated categorically that I worked well without supervision. I told him, that wasn\'t true, I did work well without it but excelled with it. Structure and Support are required to win this game, and here there is both. I think we need a Play Board though, to get the game babble off the front page. Appreciate talking. I bought analysis for NY for the first time - Sunday, just to be on the same page as the vendor. I was going to spend more time with the sheets before I did that, but I can\'t be quiet in public during racing so I need to join the choir. skip
PapaChach Wrote:
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> I sometimes have no idea what you\'re talking
> about, which is this case in this case, but I must
> say, I have enjoyed your oft-cryptic musings, and
> why sometimes they even relate to handicapping
> and betting! I personally NEED serious distraction
> at this point, with death and brain tumors hitting
> way too close to homeof late; the board\'s chatter,
> along with my weekly dips into the Saturday
> wagering pools, serve as extremely welcome and
> comforting diversions.
>
> I had my own torrent of posts today - four in an
> afternoon is by far a track record for me. Not
> that the board suffers when I resort to my default
> position of lurking...though, to be completely
> immodest, I did tout a $31 winner in the SA
> 10th... said pony got me out and a little bit for
> the day, and I wouldn\'t even be so gauche as to
> mention it but if it\'s OK to brag about correctly
> predicting Hard Spun would go favored then I
> consider myself excused...
>
> all of which serves as a very roundabout way of
> asking anyone interested in answering:
>
> - any thoughts on the Derby winner\'s effort today?
> he seemed to take a couple shots at the winner
> along the way, and got turned down. Obviously the
> winner had the mother of all set-ups...was this a
> perfect Classic prep for SS, or are his best days
> are behind him?
>
> - what of the Kelso? any BC Mile contenders in
> there?
>
> - is Tiago gonna be the wise-guy special in the
> Classic? Or does he actually rate a chance?
>
> Lotta replays to watch, eh?
>
> Personal betting/watching sidebar: I pretty much
> stunk all day, bet the last four from BEL pretty
> much like I posted, and had also left a bet on SA
> 10, stuck w/posted pick...was shocked to see
> Rosinka @ 17-1, as I mentioned earlier, would have
> bet her @ that price if I had a wagering a/c that
> took NY, had her in p4, glad I closed my online
> a/c! would have been a tough beat...I had win $$
> on Kavafi but could have made money w/winner and
> show horse if Woodlander had run 3rd or 4th and he
> ran 4th but I 100% whiffed on After Market,
> totally tossed him, and it cost me...anyway, got
> the kids to bed and sat down in front of the telly
> (sorry, my wife\'s English) to wait for my last
> bullet, Wing Forward in SA 10...promptly fell
> asleep, with a beer in my hand...wife woke me up
> and chided me for trying to sleep and hang on to
> the beer at the same time...anyway as I\'m waking
> up I see the payouts on the race...it was neck,
> nose, nose, separating the top three according to
> the chart, would have been fun to have seen it!