the Kentucky Cup (G2) at Turfway might be a nice spot to take a shot against SS. Can\'t imagine there will be too many others brave enough to enter against these 2. If HS has his way on the front end, can\'t imagine a less than fully cranked SS could catch him. We\'ll have to see how the TP strip is playing this week. It sure was kind to speed in HS\'s win in the Jim Beam or whatever it is called now. Any early thoughts??
This makes old fashioned common sense, so there is probably some kink in it.
Sandreadis Wrote:
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> the Kentucky Cup (G2) at Turfway might be a nice
> spot to take a shot against SS. Can\'t imagine
> there will be too many others brave enough to
> enter against these 2. If HS has his way on the
> front end, can\'t imagine a less than fully cranked
> SS could catch him. We\'ll have to see how the TP
> strip is playing this week. It sure was kind to
> speed in HS\'s win in the Jim Beam or whatever it
> is called now. Any early thoughts??
HS might just go off the favorite in this race considering the distance, surface and expected pace. SS has shown in his last two that he\'s much more ineffective and loses his closing kick when he has to stay up closer to the pace. SS is going to have to run faster earlier than ever before. HS may run him off his feet.
Haven\'t heard of any other horses confirmed for the race. Could be a match race.
Regardless of the race shape, Street Sense will be bet down to 3/5 or lower. Hard Spun will not be favored over Street Sense.
Street Sense Wrote:
> HS might just go off the favorite in this race
> considering the distance, surface and expected
> pace. SS has shown in his last two that he\'s much
> more ineffective and loses his closing kick when
> he has to stay up closer to the pace. SS is going
> to have to run faster earlier than ever before.
> HS may run him off his feet.
God, I\'m good.
Street Sense Wrote:
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> Street Sense Wrote:
> > HS might just go off the favorite in this race
> > considering the distance, surface and expected
> > pace. SS has shown in his last two that he\'s
> much
> > more ineffective and loses his closing kick
> when
> > he has to stay up closer to the pace. SS is
> going
> > to have to run faster earlier than ever before.
>
> > HS may run him off his feet.
>
> God, I\'m good.
Yep, you were all over it.
10th Race
Kentucky Cup Classic S. (G2)
Next Post 6:20 Off: 5:48 | 1 1/8 Miles | 3 Year Olds And Up | Stakes | Purse: $402,500
# Horse Jockey Weight Win Place Show
1 Hard Spun Pino M G 118 3.80 2.10
3 Street Sense Borel C H 120 2.10
4 Stream Cat Leparoux J R 118
$2 Exacta (1-3) Paid $5.60
Yes you were Chuckles.
Maybe tomorrow you will predict that the sky is blue.
In a 4 horse field with absolutely no speed at all, what else did you expect??
You guys know how to note words highlighted in BOLD?
My post was in response to someoen who indicated I was a little nuts to think that Hard Spun might just go off the favorite in this race. I thought the ML spread was off.
If I ever post a brag over a bet, it wouldn\'t be over one like this.
Street Sense Wrote:
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> Street Sense Wrote:
> > HS might just go off the favorite in this race
> > considering the distance, surface and expected
> > pace. SS has shown in his last two that he\'s
> much
> > more ineffective and loses his closing kick
> when
> > he has to stay up closer to the pace. SS is
> going
> > to have to run faster earlier than ever before.
>
> > HS may run him off his feet.
>
> God, I\'m good.
As Steely Dan said, \"Did you feel like Jesus?\" You did good, God.
P-Dub Wrote:
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> Yes you were Chuckles.
>
> Maybe tomorrow you will predict that the sky is
> blue.
>
> In a 4 horse field with absolutely no speed at
> all, what else did you expect??
not a bad 4/5 shot
Street Sense Wrote:
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> You guys know how to note words highlighted in
> BOLD?
>
> My post was in response to someoen who indicated I
> was a little nuts to think that Hard Spun might
> just go off the favorite in this race. I thought
> the ML spread was off.
>
> If I ever post a brag over a bet, it wouldn\'t be
> over one like this.
I bet these. There was only one scenario that was remotely credible here.
not arguing a 4/5 isn\'t just 4/5, I get that. I play pawns. .80% of something else. Could pay for something good, if not, I can stop. Real control cash flow conscious.
Street Sense Wrote:
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> You guys know how to note words highlighted in
> BOLD?
>
> My post was in response to someoen who indicated I
> was a little nuts to think that Hard Spun might
> just go off the favorite in this race. I thought
> the ML spread was off.
>
> If I ever post a brag over a bet, it wouldn\'t be
> over one like this.
Street,
Then it might have helped if you had highlighted the original comment you were responding too.
Street Sense Wrote:
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> You guys know how to note words highlighted in
> BOLD?
>
> My post was in response to someoen who indicated I
> was a little nuts to think that Hard Spun might
> just go off the favorite in this race. I thought
> the ML spread was off.
>
> If I ever post a brag over a bet, it wouldn\'t be
> over one like this.
I\'m still trying to figure out how this race was worthy of commentary in the first place.
P-Dub Wrote:
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> Street Sense Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You guys know how to note words highlighted in
> > BOLD?
> >
> > My post was in response to someoen who indicated
> I
> > was a little nuts to think that Hard Spun might
> > just go off the favorite in this race. I
> thought
> > the ML spread was off.
> >
> > If I ever post a brag over a bet, it wouldn\'t
> be
> > over one like this.
>
>
>
> Street,
> Then it might have helped if you had highlighted
> the original comment you were responding too.
It is bolded. Just like \"is\" is, or do ya\'ll not see that either?
Biggest race of the day and nary a word from you guys. Thought my light-hearted comment would kick start it. Guess not. Carry on about whatever the win pool is about.
\"You guys know how to note words highlighted in BOLD?\"
Street,
....and you guys should check the chart which shows that Street Sense was the post time favorite not Hard Spun.Is the chart wrong?
Mike
miff Wrote:
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> \"You guys know how to note words highlighted in
> BOLD?\"
>
>
> Street,
>
> ....and you guys should check the chart which
> shows that Street Sense was the post time favorite
> not Hard Spun.Is the chart wrong?
>
>
> Mike
Did it end up being nuts to think HS would be the favorite, or did I not correctly predict that it was going to be closer than the ML spread and he actually WAS the favorite and one point, and was very close to being that at post time.
I\'m starting to think this forum isn\'t my type of forum. Too many anal people.
Street Sense Wrote:
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> I\'m starting to think this forum isn\'t my type of
> forum. Too many anal people.
Try: www.overanalysisofmorninglineforfourhorsestakesraceswithobviousoutcomes.com
Great forum.
Rick B. Wrote:
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> Street Sense Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I\'m starting to think this forum isn\'t my type
> of
> > forum. Too many anal people.
>
> Try:
> www.overanalysisofmorninglineforfourhorsestakesrac
> eswithobviousoutcomes.com
>
> Great forum.
Wow, you\'re one clever dude.
To top off the cleverness, you probably bet SS to win.
Street Sense Wrote:
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> Rick B. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Street Sense Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I\'m starting to think this forum isn\'t my
> type
> > of
> > > forum. Too many anal people.
> >
> > Try:
> >
> www.overanalysisofmorninglineforfourhorsestakesrac
>
> > eswithobviousoutcomes.com
> >
> > Great forum.
>
>
> Wow, you\'re one clever dude.
>
> To top off the cleverness, you probably bet SS to
> win.
Uhh...dude. The race wasn\'t worth a mention. It wasn\'t worth analyzing the spread of the ML. It wasn\'t worth a bet. That\'s kind of the point of the sarcasm you\'ve been receiving.
But if this is the kind of race you spend your time on, then you are right about one thing: you\'re on the wrong forum.
I started this thread because this years Kentucky Derby and Travers winner looked like a strong bet against or false favorite.There was going to be a lot of sentimental $ on SS.I\'m not sure I understand why people think this was a bad betting race.You basically got even money for the win and nearly 2/1 for the exacta.It seems like many are always looking for the grand slam of bets,I\'m pretty happy hitting singles and doubles.If anyone out there has an even money lock with a false favorite,I\'m all in. It doesn\'t happen that often,so hammer it hard when it does.I win is a win.
Sandreadis Wrote:
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> If anyone out there has an even money lock with a false
> favorite,I\'m all in. It doesn\'t happen that often,so
> hammer it hard when it does.I win is a win.
Whoa -- Street Sense was a \"false\" favorite? Vulnerable, yes. Not false. That\'s what made the race a pass.
One misstep by Hard Spun, and you are holding a loser at a short price...the worst kind, with far more downside than potential reward. If this is your idea of \"hammer\" time, well...it\'s a good thing you cashed on the race.
\"Street Sense Wrote:
> HS might just go off the favorite in this race
> considering the distance, surface and expected
> pace. SS has shown in his last two that he\'s much
> more ineffective and loses his closing kick when
> he has to stay up closer to the pace. SS is going
> to have to run faster earlier than ever before.
> HS may run him off his feet.
God, I\'m good.\"
Hey Street..
I wasn\'t trying to say that he should not go off favorite in the race. I absolutely agreed with all of your points above including the fact that Nafzger would not have Street Sense fully cranked for that race and I felt Hard Spun should be the favorite also. I was just saying that money will be bet on Street Sense regardless of how the race is going to set up because he is the Derby winner...and people love to bet the Derby winner no matter what...In the end Street Sense still went off as th favorite in the race...not by much but he did go off the favorite because people love to bet the dreby winner...
Lost Cause Wrote:
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> \"Street Sense Wrote:
> > HS might just go off the favorite in this race
> > considering the distance, surface and expected
> > pace. SS has shown in his last two that he\'s
> much
> > more ineffective and loses his closing kick when
>
> > he has to stay up closer to the pace. SS is
> going
> > to have to run faster earlier than ever before.
>
> > HS may run him off his feet.
>
> God, I\'m good.\"
>
> Hey Street..
> I wasn\'t trying to say that he should not go off
> favorite in the race. I absolutely agreed with
> all of your points above including the fact that
> Nafzger would not have Street Sense fully cranked
> for that race and I felt Hard Spun should be the
> favorite also. I was just saying that money will
> be bet on Street Sense regardless of how the race
> is going to set up because he is the Derby
> winner...and people love to bet the Derby winner
> no matter what...In the end Street Sense still
> went off as th favorite in the race...not by much
> but he did go off the favorite because people love
> to bet the dreby winner...
Thanks, Lost Cause. I was seeing so much concession of this race to Hard Spun prior to it being run that I really thought it was possible that he could be at lower odds than the Derby winner. Considering the fan factor the Derby winner gets (particularly one this hyped and still considered at the top of the class), I thought it was pretty interesting.
I love this crop of 3yos, they\'ve made this a hell of a fun year.