The Green Monkey is pre-entered to run on Saturday @ Belmont Race 4 @ 6 Furlongs. Just in case anyone is interested in watching the most expensive horse ever...
Does anyone know if he\'s had any workouts in company with horses that have already run?
I know he worked with Unbridled Belle at Belmont. Maybe Barry could give some insight.
Hooper
It looks like they worked on the same day twice.
8/18 GM 59.4HG on TR.T
8/18 UB 101B on TR.T
8/12 both worked in 100.3B
The 8/12 work is probably the one in company. I haven\'t seen any clocker comments etc... to see if either broke on top and who looked like they were getting the best of it. I consider that a pretty decent work for a horse facing maidens.
It will be fun to watch. Obviously he was very hyped at one point and some people are going to bet him off that. Others are going to try to beat him for the very same reason. ;-)
Nagging small problems have kept him from the races.He worked something like 9.80 for an eighth at the sale last year which is one reason why he sold for so much money.His breeding is not $16 million like.
Saw him once with Angel up,muscular barrel chested horse, curious to see him run.
Mike
The Green Monkey shows a work of worked :59 4/5 from the gate. On the same morning, a Pletcher trained two year old named Cowboy Cal worked :59 flat from the gate. Tabor is here for the sales at Keeneland, not to watch the Green Joke.
He might turn out to be a runner after all, but something I\'ve noticed with these over-priced horses is that a lot of bettors are almost as gullible as the people that bought him. Even when when they run poorly they continue to be over-bet for several races, meaning value on their less hyped rivals with ability.
Bob
fcach,just checked my notes and it was the 8/12 work at Bel. she galloped out strongly but he was being pulled up after the work. my dad was at oklahoma quite a few days this aug and reports that Pletch told him once the monk is very fast. fwiw
hooper
fwiw, meaning?
Bob
for what it\'s worth
got it. thanks.
Bob
Horses don\'t \"pre-enter\" for MSW races. Pletcher entered The Green Monkey.
Team Coolmore was in the U.S. for the sales, but they\'re not sticking around Central Kentucky for book 3. Magnier, Tabor, et.al have plenty of lieutenants to worry about that part of the sale (and beyond).
I\'m sure Tabor will be at Belmont Saturday for TGM\'s debut, but only because it coincides with R2R in the Gazelle and The Leopard int he Futurity.
bobphilo Wrote:
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> He might turn out to be a runner after all, but
> something I\'ve noticed with these over-priced
> horses is that a lot of bettors are almost as
> gullible as the people that bought him. Even when
> when they run poorly they continue to be over-bet
> for several races, meaning value on their less
> hyped rivals with ability.
>
> Bob
if I could only be as gullible as the guy who bought The Monkey. he stands Giants Causeway at +300k a pop. GC covered 168 mares this year, 178 last year (live foals). not bad, $300,000 x 178, IN JUST ONE YEAR!
Tabor also stood Saddler\'s Wells and Danehill. you know how much he made with those guys?
we are talking hundreds of millions of dollars here in revenues.
Well, the stud fee is for \"outside mares.\" That is, people with shares (or seasons) in Giant\'s Causeway don\'t pay the stud fee because they\'ve already paid for the privilege of breeding by buying into the horse.
So 168x$300k isn\'t exactly right, but even 60 mares would be enough to cover TGM\'s purchase price.
EJXD2 Wrote:
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> Well, the stud fee is for \"outside mares.\" That
> is, people with shares (or seasons) in Giant\'s
> Causeway don\'t pay the stud fee because they\'ve
> already paid for the privilege of breeding by
> buying into the horse.
>
> So 168x$300k isn\'t exactly right, but even 60
> mares would be enough to cover TGM\'s purchase
> price.
good points EJ. I also heard the stud fee is higher than $300,000 now (true?). not sure of the exact numbers. just putting the $16 mio price tag in proper perspective. revenue potential with some of these yearlings is tremendous. Tabor can miss with some of them if he continues to spot a SW, a Danehill, or a GC for the breeding shed.
Its shocking isn\'t it?
Its clear that Giant\'s Causeway is a good turf sire, but then everyone figured he would throw some nice turf horses. He\'s essentially a Northern Dancer/Rahy nick with some Secretariat thrown in. He has sired about 30 \"stakes\" winners in his 7 breeding years. Thats not a bad number, but there\'s all kinds of mediocre races that are referred to as \"stakes\" these days. Still 30 stakes winners though not outstanding is not a bad start. But you risk being hypnotized by the propaganda of the breeding operation if you don\'t delve into the substance of the claim. Kinda like Bush on Iraq. \"We\'re kickin a55\"
As stated, he has sired a few nice grass runners. Perhaps chief among them Shamardal. Like most Giant Causeway\'s Shamardal didn\'t handle the rigors of racing and he was all done after only 7 starts. His Breeding Farm likes to advertise him as \"Undefeated in 6 starts on the Grass\". What they don\'t inform the unwary buyer of though is that Giant\'s Causeway has Not been a prolific dirt sire and the one time Shamardal attempted dirt he whiffed the board. Thats right, he threw up an air ball. Thats pretty strong evidence right there to avoid paying $300,000 Presidents for a horse that in all likelihood will get a very scant number of Kentucky Derby or Breeders Cup Classic starters.
America is Dirt Race country. We don\'t fawn all over slow running turf form here. As a matter of fact Winning out on Turf in this country won\'t get you honorable mention. To be held in high esteem here a horse has to hoof it in the Triple Crown Preps, Dirt Handicap Ranks and the Breeders Cup. Giant\'s Causeways are not getting it done in that measure and neither will Shamardal\'s.
An appropriate fee for Giant\'s Causeway would be about 50,000 Presidents at six times that fee he is vastly over valued. Obviously those that want to bred a turf horse can go that route. Its their money. But there\'s far better value at a sixth of the price.
Regarding Plech Tomorrow, I\'m not impressed by the Green Monkey\'s late start. He\'s missed lots of time and has had issues. There\'s every reason to believe the bolts may get a little loose running hard for the first time. But then there\'s the issue of his competition. Is it strong enough to loosen his bolts? The thing I keep coming back to though is the fact that this horse has had all that time away from the track to \"tinker\" with. Add to that the consideration of what a short career filled with a loss or losses would do to this horse\'s commercial viability? I don\'t think they can risk losing. He may only have a one race career, but at least they can say. \"The most expensive horse ever purchased started and was not beaten.\"
I don\'t expect this one to lose.
I feel similar trepidation regarding Rags to Riches, who I figure to pop her best, but I don\'t think she\'ll run much faster than a 2.
Shakespeare is your guess. I\'m a Plech race watcher tomorrow. We\'ll get him down the road. Hopefully with bars.
Michael D. Wrote:
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>
> if I could only be as gullible as the guy who
> bought The Monkey. he stands Giants Causeway at
> +300k a pop. GC covered 168 mares this year, 178
> last year (live foals). not bad, $300,000 x 178,
> IN JUST ONE YEAR!
>
> Tabor also stood Saddler\'s Wells and Danehill. you
> know how much he made with those guys?
>
> we are talking hundreds of millions of dollars
> here in revenues.
The Green Monkey is not the most expensive horse ever.
He is not even in the top 50.
He is, however, a horse that went through a public auction and his final figure at the time the hammer slammed down represents the highest ever in this type of venue.
He also has the \"distinction\" of having at public auction achieved the highest final figure for an unraced horse.
But there are tons of horses that have sold for more money, among then being Hard Spun, Street Sense and Any Given Saturday, who are a year older and sold privately.
Giant\'s Causeway is privately owned and there are no shareholders.