Wow! What an awesome animal! He looks and runs a lot like Tiznow. I look for him to be a major force next year under Howard if he stays in training. The Traver\'s definitely looked to be his coming out party. He fought like hell with SS from the 1/8th pole to the 1/16th pole before relenquishing....
Does anybody know what his number was for the Travers?
He was # 5
That\'s the greatest line of 2007!
girly, from one novice to another, I think he meant what speed figure number did he run? Its ok we\'ll get there, and we\'ll master this game, boys !!
As we were reminded w/the Belmont...gender ain\'t got nuthin to do with it!
you got that one right !! Or, better, she had that one right !!
Sandie
Why don\'t they just say speed figure? Oh well, every interest ends up with their own lingo and slang- You learn as you go. Thanks for the props, Sandie. I introduced myself as a novice on the board, so everyone knows I\'m green. And to be honest, I like football sometimes too, but I can barely identify the roles of the team. Forward, running back, what? I\'m just rooting for my home team or the guy getting the touchdowns.
I just think it\'s so much fun, trying to handicap the races. It\'s the sport of kings made available to the masses-This board is great too- a lot of really nice people and very informative!
thnx girly. As for me I stick with Baseball (go mets) and trying to learn this game. Happy you are out here and after reading some previous strings, you seem to have the game down pretty well yourself !! Wish me the same luck with the learn.
Yes, seems a healthy lot of interesting personalities and handicapping professionals out here, 4 sure. I anticipate this board comparing notes before the BC and a seminar would be super, TGAB.
Sandie
Girly on a little funny side note my one daughter when we were talking about positions in basketball had a center, 2 forwards and 2 backwards. I just thought that was pretty funny.
Back to the original question, anybody know what kind of numbers he and Street Sense received for the Travers?
Now that\'s pretty funny, after all that. TGAB, can we go to the REDBOARD room to find that information, previous speed figures? Is there an way of asking questions, such as finding my way around this website, without clogging up the board? And please someone answer the man\'s question, he\'s been patient enough.
The Redboard Room provides the previous day\'s TG product.
You\'ll have to wait for Grasshopper and Street Sense to show up again to find out what figure they got in The Travers.
thnx. Any suggestions on how to learn the ins and outs of the game (reading materials, etc.) and finding my way around your site? Don\'t want to ask too many questions and annoy people on here. Any input is welcome. Thnx to all.
www.ntra.com is probably a pretty good way to start, DRF and Bloodhorse have useful sites.
thnx, TGJB. I will check them out thoroughly, and anticipate coming back and joining in on this site\'s discussions when my \"knowledge\" is up to par !! With hopes around the BC time. Might be a powerhouse of info by then !!
Sandie
Iron Horse Wrote:
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> Back to the original question, anybody know what
> kind of numbers he and Street Sense received for
> the Travers?
I found this on NTRA website- Is this what you need?
Eclipse Divisional Leaders
Breeders\' Cup World Championships Leaders
EQUIBASE® SPEED FIGURE LEADERS LISTS 2007
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3-Year-Old Male
Horse Race Track Date
Grasshopper Travers S. Saratoga 08/25/2007 119
Street Sense Travers S. Saratoga 08/25/2007 120
http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbELeaders.cfm?STYLE=NTRA&YEAR=2007#3M
I think you should check out the rest of THIS website, particularly the part with the introductory materials for Thoro-Graph.
I think that\'s the Beyer speed figure listed on equibase that was referenced, which is different than the speed figure here. When it comes to sticking with this website, will do that TGJB. Felt a little intimidated on here, its why I wanted to scurry off and learn more. But much can be found at Thoro-Graph and I think the INTRO will help me much. If I have questions I call the main office and bug everyone there, instead of clogging up the board. {That\'s a joke.} I\'m not a dumb bunny, I\'ll catch on quick and play with you pros soon enough. Much thnx and happy handicapping !!
Sandie
In my cynical and suspicious moments, I imagine that \"Girly\" and \"Sandie\" are
agent provocateurs who have circumvented the TG security perimeter and will
provide some comic relief until they are detected.
Who could be behind the TG Board\'s answer to the Pigeon Sisters? I would say
possibilities might be a mischevious Raggie or maybe an inactive TG poster who
feels dismayed over the direction the Board has traveled in recent months.
Or maybe I am just jealous, because as D-Rex pointed out, \"He was #5\" was pure
comic genius.
Glad to provide some comic relief!
Girly,
That was the funniest line I have seen in a very loooong time. I laugh out loud when I see that ( accompanied by strange look from the dog).
May I suggest the following:
-Introduction link on the left side of the page. A lot of good information regarding pattern reads, etc..
-Red Board Room: Dowload a major track (So Cal, NY, Fla), find the charts on equibase, and compare the numbers with where they finished.
-ROTW: Look at these weekly, read the comments AND look at the numbers, compare with the results.
-Archives link: Again, good info from TGJB.
There is lots of good info if you look around this site. You learn something new everyday you go to the track, we all do. Good luck.
PDub and Others:
Assuming Girly is not a well positioned plant, let me say that it is rather
discouraging that everyone is pointing the new shooters to this book or that
(a personal favorite of mine is the \'83 edition of Steven Davidowitz \"Betting
Thoroughbreds\") or this website or that.
Its rather indicative of part of what is currently wrong with racing that no one
is telling the newbies \"GO TO THE RACETRACK\"
who wrote \"Go to the Racetrack?\"
Girly, every master is at first a disaster: and I speak of myself here, not you. You\'re funny and your enthusiasm is WHAT THIS GAME IS ALL ABOUT.
I read some of the intro page last night, and yep, I\'m back in St. Claremont\'s dreaded Trigg class or Physics. I thought what the %&^$^ while looking at it ?? Though as the web owners point out, it may be hard at first but stick with it. And I will. Thnx for the tips on reading materials. I don\'t want to be told what or who to play, I want to make educated assumptions and dispel those who say, its a horserace, no rhyme or reason behind it. Oh, and I was kidding in the first line. Hopefully by the BC I\'ll know more than the smaller the number the faster the race.
Sandie
Sandie:
I wrote \"GO TO THE RACETRACK\".
In my last post.
It is not the title of a book. It is a suggestion as
in \"Go..to..the...racetrack\". As in Belmont Park,
which will be open for business from now until the
weekend before BC.
Richiebee
richiebee Wrote:
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> PDub and Others:
>
> Assuming Girly is not a well positioned plant, let
> me say that it is rather
> discouraging that everyone is pointing the new
> shooters to this book or that
> (a personal favorite of mine is the \'83 edition of
> Steven Davidowitz \"Betting
> Thoroughbreds\") or this website or that.
>
> Its rather indicative of part of what is currently
> wrong with racing that no one
> is telling the newbies \"GO TO THE RACETRACK\"
I love the Saratoga track, but do not travel downstate much unless it\'s to see an exhibit or show. Unless you are talking about the amount of knowledge of handicapping in my brain \"plant\" (lol) I can assure you, I am not misrepresenting myself. First it was the Travers. Then over the years the Triple Crown, then Breeders Cup and Dubai- now I\'m hooked, and due to my Christian upraising, living with the thought that I am a sinner headed straight to hell for liking horseracing! I have a very romanticized interest in the sport largly due to this song by Peter Paul & Mary- The song has more impact than the lyrics but here goes:
STEWBALL
Oh Stewball was a racehorse, and I wish he were mine.
He never drank water, he always drank wine.
His bridle was silver, his mane it was gold.
And the worth of his saddle has never been told.
Oh the fairgrounds were crowded, and Stewball was there
But the betting was heavy on the bay and the mare.
And a-way up yonder, ahead of them all,
Came a-prancin\' and a-dancin\' my noble Stewball.
I bet on the grey mare, I bet on the bay
If I\'d have bet on ol\' Stewball, I\'d be a free man today.
Oh the hoot owl, she hollers, and the turtle dove moans.
I\'m a poor boy in trouble, I\'m a long way from home.
Oh Stewball was a racehorse, and I wish he were mine.
He never drank water,he always drank wine.
I hope you all ARE smiling, first and foremost, handicapping should be fun-
By the way richiebee, I loved that Pigeon sisters crack- I haven\'t thought of that show in years, but it\'s as insightful as you are, and I got a big kick out of it-
Richie,
She asked about handicapping and how fun it is. She wants to get better. So if she just shows up at the track, watches some races, she will learn how to handicap?? Your answer was silly. She obviously is going to the racetrack,she wants to educate herself to handicap better.
Ever been to a baseball game with someone who has never been before. I\'m sure we both have. They don\'t know about balls and strikes, runs, hits, etc... Its not until someone explains things to them that they start to understand the nuances of the sport. Do you really think that a baseball newbie will understand the sport just by showing up?? Give me a break.
She found her way to this board, so that\'s encouraging. Most of us are aware of the value in using TG. Wouldn\'t it then make sense to direct her to places where she may better understand how to use them??
What discourages many people from racing is the abundance of information, getting confused by it all, and then finally wondering why bother. Its easier to pull a handle, push a button, or see a flop and hope to get lucky.
Learning to use TG on even a beginners level gives someone a fighting chance, shows them success can be attained without having been in the game for decades, and hopefully encourage them to pick up on the other parts of the game which will further their education and success.
Paul:
If I said \"GO TO THE MOON\" to someone who sought to improve their knowledge
of the moon, that would have been \"silly\".
The advantages of regular or irregular attendance at live racing are much
too numerous to chronicle here, preparing as I am for a live appearance at
Belmont tomorrow.
The TG information is every bit as effective as you say it is (that was
quite an endorsement). I have found, however, that live attendance gives one
the opportunity to gather information which I will characterize as \"subjective\".
An example of this is to see a runner encountering trouble which one or all of
the track observers has missed, or to see a runner (and not necessarily a
winning one) who can not be pulled up by its jockey even after a strong 1/2
mile gallop out past the wire. The collection and proper utilization of such
subjective information usually presents good value because it is not
necessarily incorporated in any performance figure and sometimes missed in TG
and or DRF comments on a race.
Your response almost implies that a handicapper can not bring their TGs to
the track; being at the track and utilizing TG information are not mutually
exclusive. TGs are SOLD at the entrance gate, not confiscated.
Being live on location gives a handicapper/racing fan a chance to watch the
races through binoculars, which is (my opinion) far superior (much more
educational) to watching races on any monitor. And if one is live at the races,
you are prevented from seeing TVG programming, a known source of misinformation,
whether it be concerning track conditions or late scratches or the utterances of
poorly qualified on air \"personalities\".
I must dispute your \"overabundance\" of information line of thought. I do
not think that there can ever be an overabundance of information; the challenge
is to be able to effectively collect, compartmentalize and eventually analyze
all available information towards a profitable result.
It is too bad if it is true that the \"pushers, pullers and floppers\" have
abandoned the racing game for the casino, because I think all of us appreciated
having the uninformed and unprepared money in the mutuel pools.
richiebee Wrote:
>
> Being live on location gives a
> handicapper/racing fan a chance to watch the
> races through binoculars, which is (my opinion)
> far superior (much more
> educational) to watching races on any monitor. And
> if one is live at the races,
> you are prevented from seeing TVG programming, a
> known source of misinformation,
> whether it be concerning track conditions or late
> scratches or the utterances of
> poorly qualified on air \"personalities\".
>
> I must dispute your \"overabundance\" of
> information line of thought. I do
> not think that there can ever be an overabundance
> of information; the challenge
> is to be able to effectively collect,
> compartmentalize and eventually analyze
> all available information towards a profitable
> result.
>
> It is too bad if it is true that the \"pushers,
> pullers and floppers\" have
> abandoned the racing game for the casino, because
> I think all of us appreciated
> having the uninformed and unprepared money in the
> mutuel pools.
Sometimes, a person just needs to shout, AMEN.