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Title: Rags to Riches
Post by: NoCarolinaTony on May 02, 2007, 12:21:05 PM
Was this horse named after a sheets player who left RAGS and turned to Thorograph?

NC Tony
Title: Re: Rags to Riches
Post by: TGJB on May 02, 2007, 12:35:22 PM
Tony-- not for nuthin\' (as they don\'t say in North Carolina), but I looked at Ragozin\'s sheets for the Oaks, and holy smokes. The differences in the Derby are relatively subtle (with the exception of certain circuit-to-circuit issues), but in the case of the Oaks, if you took the names off the top, I LITERALLY would not be able to figure out which filly was which. Three examples-- first, we have a 10 (ten) point difference on a New York figure, Autobahn Girl\'s seven length win, which they have as a 15 (and New York is done by Ragozin).

Another involves the aforementioned Rags to Riches. On Ragozin, her best race-- by a lot-- is her maiden sprint win. They have it two points better than one of her stake wins, and four points better than the other. That means we net out at about 6-8 points different on the sequence (since we have the stake wins 4 1/2 points better). It looks like they are still having the sprint/route problems in California I discussed here a couple of years ago.

The third involves High Heels-- they do NOT have the Fantasy win as a new top.

As I have said before, and I am NOT kidding, at this point the Beyer guys are much better at getting the basics right than the Ragozin guys. They got all these basically right, and they simply don\'t make the big error, as Ragozin does-- often.
Title: Re: Rags to Riches
Post by: jwmjr23 on May 02, 2007, 01:01:27 PM
If anybody have ever heard of the extras, I would advise to take a look at them. They are scarey accurate. The figures include a final time fig a 2 furlong pace fig and a final pace fig. As good or better then any numbersI have ever looked at.
Title: Re: Rags to Riches
Post by: Holybull on May 02, 2007, 01:06:29 PM
jwmjr23 Wrote:
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> If anybody have ever heard of the extras, I would
> advise to take a look at them. They are scarey
> accurate. The figures include a final time fig a 2
> furlong pace fig and a final pace fig. As good or
> better then any numbersI have ever looked at.


Probably not the best time and place to bring this up.
Title: Re: Rags to Riches
Post by: TGJB on May 02, 2007, 01:08:11 PM
jwmjr23-- I gave you at least three free shots to pomote your product. Enough.
Title: Re: Rags to Riches
Post by: miff on May 02, 2007, 02:04:53 PM
JB,

Surely you know Cary at Equiform(the extras). Good Guy. Are you telling me after all my postings on the differences that SOMEONE is getting the figs WRONG??

Mike
Title: Re: Rags to Riches
Post by: jwmjr23 on May 02, 2007, 02:59:47 PM
I don\'t no him. But we will see Sat who has the figs correct.
Title: Re: Rags to Riches
Post by: TGJB on May 02, 2007, 03:14:35 PM
I don\'t \"no\" him either. But you won\'t be posting any more about it here, whatever happens Saturday. Next one comes down as soon as I see it, and you get blocked.