As some of you might know, Judy Wagner is the only winner of the National Handicapping Championship to win using Ragozin data. I just became aware of an article on handicapping that Judy wrote for the New Orleans Times-Picayune (11/23 edition), a section of which follows.
\"At most racetracks, racing programs are available containing Equibase ratings for the day\'s racing card. Beyer speed ratings are found in the Daily Racing Form. Brisnet,com offers numerous products, including speed and pace ratings, jockey and trainer information, and the Prime Power Rating. Thoro-Graph, as well as Ragozin, also have products rating horses past performances.
When handicapping I have been most succesful using Brisnet products, the Daily Racing Form, and Thoro-Graph. The information not only includes a rating of the horses past races but also stats on jockeys and trainers\".
WHo? Don\'t you know if she buys your product or not?
NC Tony
I don\'t know her particular methodologies and of the 3 products mentioned in the story , tg is the only one that could produce consistently successfull results over a period of time in excess of a given afternoon or single day .
I\'m not sure I follow the logic of putting Judy, a friend, in the middle of what has the potential of turning into another dust up along the lines of the rather bizarre debate a few yrs ago over whether or not Steve Wolfson, Jr. used tgraph when he won the nhc. For those of you who recall, the thing I found inexplicable about that debate, which also applies here, as pointed out by ncTony, is that no one actually spoke to Steve & asked him what he used until I happened to end up sitting next to him at the 2005 finals. I\'m 99% certain that I posted on this very subject after I(& Bill Spillane) talked to Judy at the Gallo brothers\' contest in S.D. two yrs ago. I also could have asked Judy when I saw her & her husband Brian on Saturday. Both, by the way, are very good handicappers, so the speculation about birthdays & lottery nos is wide of the mark. Believe it or not guys, there are some very good women handicappers out there. In any event, Brian qualified again this yr, & Judy will be with him in Jan, so I suggest that if this subject is one people really need to discuss, which I doubt, that the discussion be postponed until Feb.
your right mall - i have little doubt that judy is an accomplished handicapper , why - becouse nobody gets to where she is as a handicapper on a lark , i just mentioned the story about mth just an antidote .
you sound like a good bell weather on this and i certantly don\'t have any hang-ups on women handicappers and seriously doubt whether anybody on this thread does either , nor am i one given to \"affected\" behavioral patterns .
but on the side of fairness to all and out of defernce to your personal feelings or predispositions and even though it would be a fantastic stretch or giant leap of faith to make an anti-women bias allegation based on anything said by me or anyone on this thread , i\'ve taken down my comments about mth as they were not intended to belittle or diminish judy or women handicappers as interpeted by you and probably others as well ...
What a pair this multiple offender Asmussen has.The guy uses illegal stuff, gets caught, and doesn\'t want to pay the price.Imagine how many people got \"beat\" over the years with this guy winning hundreds of races annually.Check out the Bloodhorse article:
New Mexico Racing Commission denied a settlement proposal from an attorney representing trainer Steve Asmussen, who is battling a six-month suspension after one of his horses tested positive for a prohibited Class 3 drug in March.
Julian Luna, executive director of the New Mexico Racing Commission, said Asmussen\'s attorney, Billy Blackburn of Albuquerque, requested the commission place his client on probation as opposed to a suspension. In addition to the suspension, Asmussen was also fined $1,500 and the purse was ordered to be redistributed.
\"His attorney said Asmussen felt he had already been down 4 1/2 months (following a medication violation in Louisiana) so he wanted to be back (at the end of his suspension in Louisiana) up with the other month and an half probated,\" Luna said. \"The ball is now in his court, he continued.
\"The stewards have issued their ruling. As far as the commission is concerned at this point and time that is still the penalty. He is currently under suspension here in New Mexico because we are reciprocating with Louisiana. So the commission feels that at this point and time he is serving his six months suspension.\"
The Asmussen-trained Boots Are Walking tested positive for the prohibited substance acepromazine after winning the Bill Thomas Memorial Handicap March 4 at Sunland Park.
Acepromazin is a commonly used tranquilizer for horses that decreases anxiety and causes central nervous system depression.
Asmussen is currently serving a six-month suspension following a positive test for the Class 2 drug mepivaicaine, a local anesthetic, in a March 24 optional claiming race at Evangeline Downs, where his starter, No End in Sight, tested positive for the banned substance. The trainer was fined $2,500 and was ruled off the racetrack from July 10 through January 2007.
Mall-- Judy wrote it for the public, in a newspaper, and then SENT me the actual hardcopy because she knew I would like it. I asked if I could post it, she said absolutely.
Tony-- what would make you think I didn\'t know she was using TG? There\'s a big difference between me just posting taking credit (as we have seen with certain claims elsewhere), and someone credible writing a newspaper article praising us.
I hear you, Mike.
Asmussan asking for appeal of his 45 day suspension because he is just coming off another 4 1/2 months of suspension for previous illegal drug use is like a thief or rapist convicted of a repeat offence saying it's not fair to send him back to jail again. The punishment should be stricter for a repeat offence, not less.
In addition, this multi-million dollar winner in purses is only being fined a measly $1,500!!!
On the other hand in Hong Kong, poor Janiek, who was totally honest about having given Takeover Target a substance for medicinal purposes, and was just unfortunate that it didn't completely leave his system by race time, is looking at a possible fine of over $80,000 and his horse didn\'t even get to race, so he didn\'t even run a drugged horse.
Bob
Jerry,
I guess the way the post was written, it didn\'t come across or I didn\'t read it the way you intended it.
It just seemed odd and out of sequence.
I think your product speaks for itself. Do you think you still need name association to prove it\'s value or if that it\'s better than that other guys product?
Didn\'t Jerry Brown use thorograph (His own Product) to win the Del Mar Contest with a record payout? Enough Said.
NC Tony
Totally different game here in Ny.Its amazing what trainers get away with,a slap on wrist ,its totally insane.How can a small legitimate trainer trying to make a living in this business compete.Stricter panalties need to take affect..
The problem is the stewards are terrified of the trainers. They're afraid they'll say, "if you won't let me do what I want, I'll take my ball and go play somewhere else". When Olympic athletes are caught juicing, they're banned worldwide. We need a national body to mete out penalties – not a bunch of racing associations in competition with each other.
I doubt we'll ever see that though. Lacking that, the only thing we bettors can do is not bet the tracks that let the trainers cheat them. They have to be made to fear the bettors more than the trainers.
The reason they're so successful in cleaning up their game in Hong Kong is that the stewards are not afraid of trainers, owners or jockeys, but are responsible to the bettors. If a crooked trainer threatens to quit if he is suspended (like Mullins does) they say, "Good riddance, don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out. There are dozens of honest horsemen waiting to take your place."
Bob