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Title: fig contest
Post by: brokerstip on July 19, 2006, 08:58:18 PM
With 1/2 hour between races and a contest delay, I decided to test out the opening day card for just the TG\'s.

Here\'s my results:  (Horse, TGcombined #, TG rank-- finish)
Race 1) Pao Com Ovo---11---1st   won
Race 2) Delivering Speed----15 1/4---1st----won
Race 3) 1st time starter won---Flip the Penny---29--2nd----2nd (top rank ran 4th)
Race 4) He\'s Crafty  (long layoff) 7?  1st ---won
(Note: misplace the sheets for the 4th and 5th...HC was low # I recall)
Race 5) Incomplete
Race 6) (turfers only) Lightning Hit---13 1/2  1st---won
Race 7) Political Web----14----1st----won
Race 8) (turfers only) Obrigado----17 1/2----3rd-----won  
Race 9) Golden Via-----------------32 1/2----1st-----won

Summary:6 races the #1 horse won (1st, 2nd, 4th, 6th, 7th 9th)
        1 race  the #1 horse ran 2nd (porto Santo)-8th
        1 race  the #2 horse ran 2nd  (1st time starter won)--3rd
        1 race  the #3 horse won 8th
        1 race no result (friend tore up the sheet...lol)  
Not sure this is the format---6 firsts, a second and a 4th for top ranked...not too shabby,,,,, but it is late but I am Lost in the Fog until tomorrow....

Bob

Title: Re: fig contest
Post by: TGJB on July 20, 2006, 09:01:59 AM
broker-- Not sure how you did this-- for example, show me how you got to the ratings in rankings in one of the races.
Title: Re: fig contest
Post by: Michael D. on July 20, 2006, 03:33:52 PM
looked at it quickly.

TG puts up a $14.00 turf winner in the analysis.

in the study, the winner would have been ranked behind the 4th place horse, because that one had a few fast sprint #\'s.

the horse that would have been the choice in the contest finished back, but since his fast figs were euro #\'s, the horse would not have counted in the study.

in the other stakes race, only four horses would have had the figs necessary to be counted, and one of them had only turf sprint figures.









Title: Re: fig contest
Post by: TGJB on July 20, 2006, 04:35:11 PM
Michael, we\'re not using the horse we ranked on top in each race (though that study could be done), nor is the horse that comes out on top supposed to represent whom we would bet. The question will be which service had the winner faster-- the other factors should wash out. Euro\'s will not count, since as I understand it Ragozin doesn\'t publish figures for those horses.
Title: Re: fig contest
Post by: brokerstip on July 20, 2006, 09:11:32 PM
OK.

Today,

Race 5 @ DMR---

Tutta Bella gets a 23 3/4 (that is 12 1/2 + 11 1/4)
If there are three races for consideration, I would drop the highest and add the other two. I used a gross number and did not divide by 2 since it makes no difference.

I also failed to adjust for weight yesterday. Had forgot that weight adjustment was one of the factors.  In this race, weight did not make a difference in who the top ranked horse would be.

Today,
Race 1) UGOTADO ranked 1st and broke down....Schwindler was ranked 2nd and won.
Race 2) Art Moderne ranked first with an 8 3/4 (drop the 6 1/4 and add the 5 1/2 and 3 1/4.  He ran second. Warrior Song won with an 11 1/2 that ranked 4th.
Race 3) Gold Label ranked 1st and ran 2nd.
Race 4)SweetSmell ranked first off TUP #s and ran out
Race 5) Tutta Bella ranked first and won
Race 6) Robador ranked first with 12 1/4. Final finale earned a 13 1/4 but received 5 lbs which dead heats him with Robador at 12 1/4. robador wins if you add 3rd race....Robador won.
Race 7) Vikki\'s Honor ranked first and won.
Race 8) Senior Discount ranked first and ran 2nd.

So, today 3 top ranked won and 3 ran second. One broke down and one ran out.  

Title: Re: fig contest
Post by: brokerstip on July 21, 2006, 06:20:49 AM
TGJB,

I gave this some thought overnight as it was late last night when I posted and I just ambled in after attending a local boxing promotion in beautiful downtown D.C. (beteer known as Dickson City, Pa.)

I can see now that I should dvided by two as if affects the weight adjustment.
I would only be giving 50% (approx.) credit to weight. Thus, for instance, Robador would not have ben tied for top ranked. He would actually rank 1/2 point behind Final Finale.

Robador --12 1/4 divided by 2=6 1/8.....Final--13 1/4 divided by 2 = 6 5/8-1pt for 5lbs=5 5/8.
Am I thinking correctly?

Bob
Title: Re: fig contest
Post by: TGJB on July 21, 2006, 10:57:44 AM
Broker--I haven\'t had a chance to really look at what you\'ve done, but that sounds right about the weight. Your not dividing by two explains a lot, haven\'t checked individual horses.