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Title: Ky Oaks
Post by: Michael D. on May 05, 2006, 05:26:29 AM
Balance looks tough. Three runs in the \'5\' range before improving in the SA Oaks. Looks like she will get the distance. Low odds the issue.

Ermine has a nice looking line. Two fast sprints as a two year old, and two good races this year. I think she can run back to her last, or even improve a touch, which puts her right there at decent odds.

Lemons Forever can pick up some pieces at huge odds if they collapse. I like the \'9\' and \'7\' to start the year. Can excuse the poly effort. \'4\' or \'5\' maybe?

Wait a While could run in the \'3\' range, which puts her close.

Wonder Lady could also run in the \'3\' range.
....

I will key Ermine at 10-1 or so, use the rest underneath.
Title: Re: Ky Oaks
Post by: SoCalMan2 on May 05, 2006, 06:33:20 AM
Dear Michael,

I like your analysis of this race a lot and concur.  I would add add some minor touches, (a) consider putting Ermine in the 1st and 2nd positions, (b) when you spread, consider including Ex Caelis.  I hope your analysis proves correct.

SCM2  
Title: Re: Ky Oaks
Post by: Michael D. on May 05, 2006, 06:53:34 AM
Thanks SoCal .....

I expect Ex Caelis to be a factor. I\'m not sure she gets the 9f though, even though she\'s bred for it.
Title: Re: Ky Oaks
Post by: miff on May 05, 2006, 07:07:52 AM
Jerry,


Can you explain the day at KEE for Bushfire\'s one(1). Crosschecking the fig looks more like 3-4 comparing it to 3 other credible sources. Raw time at 1:45 with last 5/16ths in 34.20 is very slow.I do not have the data for that day handy. Obviously you found something. Please let me know if you are not too busy. thanks

Mike
Title: Re: Ky Oaks
Post by: big18741 on May 05, 2006, 07:31:46 AM
Struggling with Ermine getting a winning trip given her post and running style.

The race sets up for both Balance and Wonder Lady if they\'re feeling good today.

 Boxing those two in exactas and using on top of 6,8,12,14 tris and supers.


                               Good Luck


                     


Title: Re: Ky Oaks
Post by: Michael D. on May 05, 2006, 07:34:02 AM
Mike,

I don\'t doubt that she ran a very fast one. Although, using Jerry\'s measure, if you believe that number, you have to believe that she would have beaten FuPeg by about four lengths in the Ky Derby.
Title: Re: Ky Oaks
Post by: jmetro on May 05, 2006, 07:50:37 AM
Kent Desormeaux gets reunited on Quiet Kim and I expect her to be coming from further off of the pace than the races where P VAl rode her.  Should sit a nice stalking trip behind the two speed horses drawn insider her.  Hess has stated she\'s a filly that either loves or hates a track.  Her 6F work at CD is encouraging.
Title: Re: Ky Oaks
Post by: kev on May 05, 2006, 08:10:33 AM
Lemons Forever
Ermine
Balance

That\'s my play
Title: Re: Ky Oaks
Post by: Michael D. on May 05, 2006, 08:15:23 AM
jmetro,

QK had a much better trip that Balance in the SA Oaks, actually ran about seven lengths slower. Do you think she can make up the difference stretching out? Price will be huge though. Good luck.
Title: Re: Ky Oaks
Post by: TGJB on May 05, 2006, 09:38:04 AM
Mike-- the Ashland was straightforward. First of all, off the horses, Bushfire is the only one that got a new top, and since she won by a block and cleared Balance and the rest by another block, that figures. As you can see from the figures WAW and Balance ran, it fitted well this way with them, and by memory with the others.

That aside, there were 3 routes on the day. One was mis-timed, and I cut it loose (added about 3). The other 2 I did within a point, taking off 1 more for the Ashland, and you can see that adding a point would make for funny looking figures for WAW and B, and do nothing to make Bushfire look better.
Title: Re: Ky Oaks
Post by: J-DUB on May 05, 2006, 09:47:24 AM


     I like the previous race of Diplomat Lady. I think she can stretch out today and run well at a price.
Title: Re: Ky Oaks
Post by: miff on May 05, 2006, 11:18:48 AM
Thanks Jerry,


Fyi,just got the Rags fig also for Brushfire,it\'s 8\". When these differences come up and I look at all the different data, my hair hurts.

Mike


Title: Re: Ky Oaks
Post by: TGJB on May 05, 2006, 11:26:57 AM
Miff-- when I hear about the differences I get very, very happy.
Title: Re: Ky Oaks
Post by: reboundman on May 05, 2006, 11:27:22 AM
Give me Wonder Lady Anne L
Title: Itty Bitty Pretty
Post by: tmcdevitt on May 05, 2006, 11:34:58 AM
I haven\'t seen a word posted about her, so I\'ll head way out on a limb; Unless I\'m crazy, she crashes the bottom spots of the super for big $

-Kee Race; She was already 12 lengths back coming out of the Clubhoue turn and kept pace with the winner the rest of the way and actually made a nice move around the turn to finish exactly the same distance behind Balance as she did 2/11. The race will be totally obscured by the 68 Beyer

-2/11, again, unless I\'m crazy, PVAL actually checks her on the far turn and lets Balance go ahead rather than going 5 wide around the turn. Tries to catch her by staying on the same line as Balance and swinging out in the stretch. Actually thought this was a very nice move by PVAL. Again finishes a couple of lengths behind balance

Balance will be 2-1, Itty Bitty Pretty 20-1. She can\'t win, but she can definitely make the super very, very nice.
Title: Re: Ky Oaks
Post by: Michael D. on May 05, 2006, 03:00:28 PM
great race.

kev takes home the biggest bag of money.

Title: Kev is a stud
Post by: tmcdevitt on May 05, 2006, 03:10:50 PM
Enough said
Title: Re: Ky Oaks
Post by: TGAB on May 05, 2006, 03:24:20 PM
Nice hit.
Title: Re: Ky Oaks
Post by: jmetro on May 05, 2006, 04:05:21 PM
Very nice call kev.
Title: Re: Ky Oaks
Post by: Bally Ache on May 05, 2006, 04:21:12 PM
Just for the record, I had it too.  And Michael D. might have had it based on his post this morning.
Title: Re: Ky Oaks
Post by: flushedstraight on May 05, 2006, 04:29:46 PM
well done

I\'m throwing B & J and Flashy in the mix now
Title: Re: Ky Oaks
Post by: P-Dub on May 05, 2006, 05:25:46 PM
I had Ermine on top of the next 3 finishers in tris and supers.  Thought I had it for a minute.

Ouch.

Have a saver Double going to 6 horses though: Bob And John, AP Warrior, SNS, Barbaro, Private Vow, Bluegrass Cat.

Very nice call Kev,  congrats to all who had that very nice score.
Title: Nice call Kev????
Post by: tmcdevitt on May 05, 2006, 05:32:30 PM
(and Bally Ache)

That was 47-1 on top of 10-1 COLD. That\'s more than a nice call. That\'s epic. I\'ll start the clock on how long it takes for someone to put up a better prediction than that. Over/Under is mid 2009
Title: Re: Nice call Kev????
Post by: P-Dub on May 05, 2006, 05:38:28 PM
Not since Volponi have I seen a prediction like that.
Title: Re: Ky Oaks
Post by: Michael D. on May 05, 2006, 06:44:51 PM
and kev ......

i\'m still tossing your dog flashy bull !!!!


ps.  but giving a serious second look to your B&J
Title: Re: Nice call Kev????
Post by: kev on May 05, 2006, 06:52:24 PM
Thanks everyone, I love it, I gave it out to alot of people at work there still calling me. My dad won, let\'s say a sh$t load off of it. My double last time I worte it down with B&J was $1,527 I though it was higher, might have went up that was with 5 mins to post.
Title: Re: Ky Oaks
Post by: miff on May 06, 2006, 05:17:55 AM
Kev,

Fantastic pick!!.I\'m curious how you got him. He was 2nd slowest going in(on TG, 12 were faster) by up to app 10 lenghts and had post 14. Great score.

Mike
Title: Re: Ky Oaks
Post by: kev on May 06, 2006, 07:41:40 AM
Well I use both Rag\'s and TG, first saw her on Rag\'s where two races back that race was right up there with the others on number power and the line looked fine. Then I checked TG and saw the pattern was fine also, she had only moved 2pts from her 2yr top and had the timing into the race. I wasn\'t worried about the post she was a closer so I knew Mark G. would get her over with all that speed to her inside. So to sum it up it was the line of the horse I liked.
Title: Re: Ky Oaks
Post by: miff on May 06, 2006, 07:56:30 AM
Thank you Kev,

Since my last post a RAG friend called to gloat that the winner was much more competitive on RAGS and was only 2 point slower than Brusfire and others.Continued good luck.

Mike