If he is skipping the last major work he must not think this horse has much of a chance to win
Saturday, April 29, 2006
UPDATE
BACKSIDE UPDATE: Saturday workouts
The Courier-Journal
Undefeated Florida Derby winner Barbaro worked a half-mile in a snappy 46 seconds at dawn Saturday at Churchill Downs in preparation for the May 6 Kentucky Derby. The Churchill Downs clockers caught Barbaro galloping out five eigths of a mile in a strong 59 and 2/5 seconds and six furlongs in 1:12 1/5 under assistant trainer Peter Brette.
Sunriver worked six furlongs in 1:13 3/5 in company with the older horse Harlington shortly after the track opened at 6 a.m. Retired hall of fame jockey Angel Cordero was aboard Sunriver, who needs a defection from the current Derby probables to get in the overflow field.
Sweetnorthernsaint worked six furlongs in 1:11 3/5 with stablemate Sweet Valid. Jockey Calvin Borel worked Sweetnorthernsaint because rider Kent Desormeaux did not show after being expected to fly in from New York Friday night.
I myself overslept this morning and missed my tee time of 6:15. Maybe it was it was the number of shots, maybe it was some hot blonde that distracted or just maybe it was a bad snooze alarm.
Uh, maybe we should focus on the work itself which tells me all I need to know. Doesn\'t Desormeaux have a history of being somewhat quirky?
Bally Ache Wrote:
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> Uh, maybe we should focus on the work itself which
> tells me all I need to know. Doesn\'t Desormeaux
> have a history of being somewhat quirky?
Quirky is an understatement. I have lived and died with Kent D over the last 20 years. He is my go-to guy. He goes into these high and low patters every few years - which is probably just like any other jock or any person for that matter. If you watch his ride on Fu-Peg in the 2000 Derby it was the most flawless, masterful ride I\'ve ever seen.
The 1:11 work is really all I will focus on too. Can;t wait to see the move this AM on TVG\'s \"Works\" show...
Thanks for the update!:-)
Uncle Buck Wrote:
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> Bally Ache Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Uh, maybe we should focus on the work itself
> which
> > tells me all I need to know. Doesn\'t
> Desormeaux
> > have a history of being somewhat quirky?
>
>
> Quirky is an understatement. I have lived and died
> with Kent D over the last 20 years. He is my go-to
> guy. He goes into these high and low patters every
> few years - which is probably just like any other
> jock or any person for that matter. If you watch
> his ride on Fu-Peg in the 2000 Derby it was the
> most flawless, masterful ride I\'ve ever seen.
>
> The 1:11 work is really all I will focus on too.
> Can;t wait to see the move this AM on TVG\'s
> \"Works\" show...
>
> Thanks for the update!:-)
Now everybody wants to get on your horse Uncle Buck. At least your bet is already down. Still think he\'ll be double digits though.
Silver Charm Wrote:
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> If he is skipping the last major work he must not
> think this horse has much of a chance to win
>
> Saturday, April 29, 2006
>
> UPDATE
> BACKSIDE UPDATE: Saturday workouts
> The Courier-Journal
>
> Undefeated Florida Derby winner Barbaro worked a
> half-mile in a snappy 46 seconds at dawn Saturday
> at Churchill Downs in preparation for the May 6
> Kentucky Derby. The Churchill Downs clockers
> caught Barbaro galloping out five eigths of a mile
> in a strong 59 and 2/5 seconds and six furlongs in
> 1:12 1/5 under assistant trainer Peter Brette.
>
> Sunriver worked six furlongs in 1:13 3/5 in
> company with the older horse Harlington shortly
> after the track opened at 6 a.m. Retired hall of
> fame jockey Angel Cordero was aboard Sunriver, who
> needs a defection from the current Derby probables
> to get in the overflow field.
>
>
> Sweetnorthernsaint worked six furlongs in 1:11 3/5
> with stablemate Sweet Valid. Jockey Calvin Borel
> worked Sweetnorthernsaint because rider Kent
> Desormeaux did not show after being expected to
> fly in from New York Friday night.
>
A week before the race your horse is scheduled for his one serious work on the track and the jockey oversleeps with his cell phone turned off?
That would be too much for me. That has every indication of imbibing too much in something and I don\'t want that kind of representation on my horse with the big dance a week away. Theres plenty of good jockeys out there Mr. Trombetta. Jockeys that don\'t have a mount. I\'d highly recommend Jeremy Rose. He can get a horse to relax and he has the big race in his resume. Maryland connections don\'t mean you have to tolerate Maryland poor behavior. Dump the bum before he burns you again.
Chuckles, are you actually Gene Short. Jeremy Rose , give me a break !! What\'s he won this year (How many Derbys has he won ?). IMO Rose cost Afleet Alex the Triple Crown. Desormeaux\'s had two legitimate shots to win the Derby and cashed\'em both. I don\'t understand the general anti-Desormeaux attitude you espouse. If it wasn\'t for apparent PR problems (NOT TALENT), Desormeaux would have won at least 4 Derby\'s by now. I guarantee you he wouldn\'t have tanked the rides on Empire Maker, Point Given or Afleet Alex , Captain Bodget or Victory Gallop\'s as they\'re riders arguably did. If the guy over-slept big deal. Just for curiosity\'s sake, what\'s your opinion of PVAL and Garrett Gomez, since you\'re ready to take Kent off for , over-sleeping ?
Monarchos Wrote:
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> Chuckles, are you actually Gene Short. Jeremy Rose
> , give me a break !! What\'s he won this year. IMO
> Rose cost Afleet Alex the Triple Crown.
> Desormeaux\'s had two legitimate shots to win the
> Derby and cashed\'em both. I don\'t understand the
> general anti-Desormeaux attitude you espouse. If
> it wasn\'t for apparent PR problems and a glib
> tongue (NOT TALENT), Desormeaux would have won at
> least 4 Derby\'s by now. I guarantee you he
> wouldn\'t have tanked the rides on Empire Maker,
> Point Given or Afleet Alex , Captain Bodget or
> Victory Gallop\'s as they\'re riders arguably did.
>
>
>
>
> Edited 1 times. Last edit at 04/29/06 12:15PM by
> Monarchos.
I have no idea what you\'re referring to with Afleet Alex. Other than not being aware of the path bias, but not many were til the next day.
Jockeys don\'t win races. They lose them. Desormeaux is not in his right head. The bum overslept despite being in a hotel with wake up service. I\'m personally contacting Trombetta over this one.
I don\'t bet jockeys. I don\'t tolerate them either.
I do share your sentiment about Alex Solis. 2 minutes is a long time for him not to make a mistake and I have full confidence he\'ll find a way to louse up Bro Derek.
Just back to hotel from the shed.. There was no harm done. Kent overslept and tried to reach Trombetta repeatedly.. Mike showed me his cellphone with \"Kent, Kent, Kent, Kent\" on it, but the phone never actually rang... (I\'ve been having the same trouble with mine.)
It worked out fine. Borel was perfect and Willie Martinez helped with Fleet Ballad, SNS\'s workmate who goes in an ALW on the undercard. They gave Mike EXACTLY what he asked them for down to within a fifth of a second for the internals. Trombetta couldn\'t have been happier and if something were to happen to Desormeaux between now and next Saturday, he has another backup rider.
Trombetta, Ted Theos, Ernesto and Gordon were all thrilled with the work after a couple of anxious moments. In the meantime, Saint takes everything in stride and is as happy as can be. He\'s a delight to be around.
Theos headed back to MD this p.m. and I\'ll be taking the group to dinner tonight to give them a taste of the Derby atmosphere.
In other Barn 42 news, Jazil and Flashy Bull are next door to Saint and look good. Jazil in particular has filled out really nicely since I saw him last at Palm Meadows. Still as gentle as can be... Bull is dappled out and \"ready\", but Kieran is really concerned now about getting him in with Ramsey talking about wheeling Dawn of War back next week after today\'s Trial, and Mr. Triester potentially getting the Don\'t Get Mad treatment as well. McLaughlin said \"I\'d never do it, but I could enter Henny Hughes, Like Now and get Discreet Cat entered and then scratch them all Thursday. It\'s time to think about using the Breeders Cup system for this race.\"
Elsewhere, Cause to Believe did not work well today, and Bluegrass Cat made a less than wonderful impression as well. I missed Lawyer Ron out there.
Steve
Chuckles, this is only my opinion. One could say , that Afleet Alex bounced, which he did, but, if Afleet Alex isn\'t completely stopped into the turn, he would would have had a commanding lead, into the lane, much like Real Quiet did , in his Derby win and would have won the race with a great ride, despite not getting the best number. I believe that Victory Gallop, Empire Maker, Aptitude, Captain Bodget, all lost the Derby despite running faster, or at least as fast as the winner. The best comparison to a rider making a difference in the Derby, is Empire Maker vs Fusaichi Pegasus. Empire Maker was ridden like he was much the best , and lost in what I percieve as a gutless ride by Bailey. Fusaichi Pegasus was ridden in a manor that would have been percieved , as a bad ride if he had lost, and yet Desormeaux rode the race, saving all the ground that he could, as if he were on a longshot. That\'s all I\'m saying.
Tell me Desormeaux gave Real Quiet a good ride in the Belmont.
Then watch the race again and watch him moving all over the horse\'s back, yanking his head one way and another, destroying his rhythm and stride while the horse was tiring in the stretch.
Watch the race and don\'t focus on Victory Gallop closing, because that\'s all Desormeaux did. He lost by an inch because he was riding the other horse...not his horse.
As for Jeremy Rose, he was the best riding jockey at Gulfstream this season. Not the winningest, but the best rider. He\'s unbelieveably consistent and patient.
Kasept Wrote:
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> Just back to hotel from the shed.. There was no
> harm done. Kent overslept and tried to reach
> Trombetta repeatedly.. Mike showed me his
> cellphone with \"Kent, Kent, Kent, Kent\" on it, but
> the phone never actually rang... (I\'ve been having
> the same trouble with mine.)
>
> It worked out fine. Borel was perfect and Willie
> Martinez helped with Fleet Ballad, SNS\'s workmate
> who goes in an ALW on the undercard. They gave
> Mike EXACTLY what he asked them for down to within
> a fifth of a second for the internals. Trombetta
> couldn\'t have been happier and if something were
> to happen to Desormeaux between now and next
> Saturday, he has another backup rider.
>
> Trombetta, Ted Theos, Ernesto and Gordon were all
> thrilled with the work after a couple of anxious
> moments. In the meantime, Saint takes everything
> in stride and is as happy as can be. He\'s a
> delight to be around.
>
> Theos headed back to MD this p.m. and I\'ll be
> taking the group to dinner tonight to give them a
> taste of the Derby atmosphere.
>
>
>
> In other Barn 42 news, Jazil and Flashy Bull are
> next door to Saint and look good. Jazil in
> particular has filled out really nicely since I
> saw him last at Palm Meadows. Still as gentle as
> can be... Bull is dappled out and \"ready\", but
> Kieran is really concerned now about getting him
> in with Ramsey talking about wheeling Dawn of War
> back next week after today\'s Trial, and Mr.
> Triester potentially getting the Don\'t Get Mad
> treatment as well. McLaughlin said \"I\'d never do
> it, but I could enter Henny Hughes, Like Now and
> get Discreet Cat entered and then scratch them all
> Thursday. It\'s time to think about using the
> Breeders Cup system for this race.\"
>
>
>
> Elsewhere, Cause to Believe did not work well
> today, and Bluegrass Cat made a less than
> wonderful impression as well. I missed Lawyer Ron
> out there.
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
> Edited 1 times. Last edit at 04/29/06 12:57PM by
> Kasept.
Wait a minute. What do you mean theres no harm done? Why was Desormeaux in Louisville? Is he idle until next Saturday? If you\'re saying the connections think theres no harm done, thats their prerogative. That doesnt mean there was no harm done, nor no cause for concern.
I don\'t care how many times he tried to call Trombetta after he was late. Thats irrelevant from my perspective as a potential SnS backer. Does Trombetta really accept he missed the work by \"oversleeping\"? Say it ain\'t so? Seriously, whats his position on that? I don\'t think a professional jockey in his right mind misses that work. Is it just me or is it totally unreasonable to say:
\"Oh, well, thats just rockhound Kent. No harm done. We\'ll let him ride regardless\"
This is an omen. Thank you Horsethor.
Good to get an informative post , as opposed to wild speculation. Good to hear Kent wasn\'t out trying to rob any unsuspecting cab drivers or on a drug or alcohol binge.
Jeremey Rose? Ba ha ha. You are a Clown. How about his ride in the Ben Ali?
\"Noble Causeway - Closer than usual and well placed in hand near the inside, angled three or four wide approaching the stretch. was five wide for the drive, then, after the rider misjudged the finish and rose prematurely at the alternate finish line a sixteenth out, was not ridden the remained and narrowly held the show position on his own courage.\"
Ba ha ha ha.
http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbPDFChart.cfm?TID=KEE&CTRY=USA&DAY=D&DT=04/27/2006&STYLE=EQB&RACE=8&BorP=B
Stevens
Desornoshow must go. He blew his chance. Gary would only need a couple of warmup rides to dust off the rust and he would be ready willing and able. Unlike the aforementioned.
Lester Piggot did it a few years after five years in the can. Gary has spent five months on the TVG set with Schrupp, Rudolph and Co.
Can\'t be much worse.
And then on second thought......lol
Wrongly Wrote:
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> Jeremey Rose? Ba ha ha. You are a Clown. How
> about his ride in the Ben Ali?
>
> \"Noble Causeway - Closer than usual and well
> placed in hand near the inside, angled three or
> four wide approaching the stretch. was five wide
> for the drive, then, after the rider misjudged the
> finish and rose prematurely at the alternate
> finish line a sixteenth out, was not ridden the
> remained and narrowly held the show position on
> his own courage.\"
>
> Ba ha ha ha.
>
>
Jerry, This guy Wrongly is obviously a refugee from the other board. Isn\'t there a modicrum of knowledge or participation required to post here?
I don\'t even know why I respond to some of these claimers, but I think its got to do with Big Day Fever Pitch.
Obviously, WRONGLY, you are operating under the delusion that Noble Causeway is a horse. He was third choice in a small field at about 7-1. He finished 3rd.
Keeneland has reverted in recent days to favoring speed, with some exceptions. Noble Causeway never had an ounce of speed. Jeremy Rose had 3 mounts per my recollection. Obviously you somehow missed the 8-1 well intended winner by Keeneland Nick with Rose up. I think Rose went (3) 1-1-1. Not too shabby by my reckoning. But what do I know.
Take something for that hack, or give up the smokes. Smokes will kill ya, ruin your brain power for handicapping too. You know that tar adheres to the linings of all your arteries, including those in whatever size brain a person begins with.
Rose would alleviate all Desormeaux concerns.
"He should be a Triple Crown winner, but I messed up," Rose said, referring to Afleet Alex's third-place finish at Churchill Downs, where he was beaten by two long shots.
CTC-- yeah, his post was intentionally annoying. Like most of yours.
Michael D. Wrote:
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> "He should be a Triple Crown winner, but I messed
> up," Rose said, referring to Afleet Alex's
> third-place finish at Churchill Downs, where he
> was beaten by two long shots.
If you\'re referring to over use of the whip in the Ark. I don\'t think that beat Alex. He did have a top. But he was sick in the runup to the Derby and caught the wrong part of the track that day off that top.
Words from his own mouth, regarding his belief that his horse was so good he shouldn\'t have been beaten. Jockeys can keep a horse from winning. I don\'t think Rose got in the way, but only a good kid with talent would speak from his heart like that.
I want him on SnS
Most likely , Desormeaux road to Bafferts instructions in the Belmont. Still only lost by a scant nose , to a horse that probably was at least his equal. Desormeaux\'s normal style would have been to stick with Victory Gallop and leave him pinned in on the turn, but I remember Baffert basically disrespecting Victory Gallop in the media, and probably letting Desormeaux know that race riding Victory Gallop would not be tolerated. MY opionion, Baffert probably choked the strategy, and Kent didn\'t ride his usual ride. Baffert always seems to stress how much he dislikes riders race riding other horses, which is probably why he doesn\'t ride Kent. I don\'t agree with him, but I don\'t have a financial interest in the horses either.
Once again . What does the way the jockey explains a bad ride, have to do with the actual act of race riding in a pressure situation ? Rose had a chance to come up big in the Derby and failed. If owners and trainers are so ego driven that they\'re willing to risk losing a big race just to prove that any monkey can win the Derby on their super horse, so be it. My opinion is that Desormeaux if vastly and I can\'t stress vastly underated as a rider. He does need work in the PR department, admittedly he\'s too candid sometimes , in a sport that doesn\'t appreciate candor. Has nothing to due with his skill however.
i have to say, i\'ve never seen an overhead shot. i\'ve seen the head on\'s and the cut technique...but if you say theres a head on and he got stopped, that goes a long way to answering why he didn\'t win for me. I was all over him
So let me get this straight, Chuckles. The two times that you went on record before the race-- meaning the last two years, not all the times you have told us about retroactively-- you\'ve made a lot of noise, and then picked the public favorite in the Derby. That right?
Monarchos Wrote:
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> Chuckles, this is only my opinion. One could say ,
> that Afleet Alex bounced, which he did, but, if
> Afleet Alex isn\'t completely stopped into the
> turn, he would would have had a commanding lead,
> into the lane, much like Real Quiet did , in his
> Derby win and would have won the race with a great
> ride, despite not getting the best number. I
> believe that Victory Gallop, Empire Maker,
> Aptitude, Captain Bodget, all lost the Derby
> despite running faster, or at least as fast as the
> winner. The best comparison to a rider making a
> difference in the Derby, is Empire Maker vs
> Fusaichi Pegasus. Empire Maker was ridden like he
> was much the best , and lost in what I percieve as
> a gutless ride by Bailey. Fusaichi Pegasus was
> ridden in a manor that would have been percieved ,
> as a bad ride if he had lost, and yet Desormeaux
> rode the race, saving all the ground that he
> could, as if he were on a longshot. That\'s all I\'m
> saying.
I think Bailey went wide with a wide gate hole is my recollection. I believe Bailey was consulted at the post position draw and recommended wide rather than inside though. You\'re not gonna get an argument from me that beating Bailey was a green way, even though, I respected his ability. He won for me on Sea Hero and beat me a nose on Grindstone. Regardless, I don\'t think Empire Maker was as good as Funny Cide in that period. Nothing was gonna get him up. Since the Preakness Funny Cide has had issues.
Candidly, I dont\' remember the FuPeg Derby well. I tend to block that from my mind. I got creamed in it. I\'m not a big fan of Desormeaux and never will be. That missed work today is evidence of something I don\'t want on my horse\'s back.
TGJB Wrote:
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> So let me get this straight, Chuckles. The two
> times that you went on record before the race--
> meaning the last two years, not all the times you
> have told us about retroactively-- you\'ve made a
> lot of noise, and then picked the public favorite
> in the Derby. That right?
I\'ve been on the record for the Derby here in
2000
2002
2003
2004 and
2005
That would be for an also ran, 3 winners and a third.
The public choice in 2005 was your choice. The vastly overrated and mis-scored Bellamania. I bucked him but lost the Derby with the best horse, Afleet Alex. Actually it wasn\'t bucking at all.
2004 You said Smarty was the fastest and he was the public choice if I remember correctly at about 4-1. I did ok that race but missed the tri and super.
2003 I was all over Funny Cide and had it all
2002 was even better and those winners are on record
2001 I did not post pre derby
2000 I was all over Anees, but my handicapping went south due to a large future bet. I don\'t future bet any more.
I\'ve posted it before, my derby record follows:
2005 Afleet Alex - 3rd
2004 Smarty Jones - 1st
2003 Funny Cide - 1st
2002 War Emblem -1st
2001 Point Given/Monarchos Box
2000 Anees - Also Ran
1999 Menifee - 2nd
1998 Indian Charlie - 3rd
1997 Captain Bodgit 2nd
1996 Cavonnier 2nd
1995 Jumron 4th
1993 Sea Hero 1st
1992 Lil E. Tee 1st
1991 Strike the Gold 1st
1990 Summer Squall 2nd
1989 Easy Goer 2nd
1988 49er 2nd
I\'m gonna win it this year. But I\'m not concerned with getting the winner. This race has super potential. Its not even that hard.
p.s 1994 Southern Rhythm - also ran
I notice that you say , i cashed on Bailey on Sea Hero, therefore you seem to imply that it exonerates him for blowing the ride on Empire Maker. I don\'t see what one has to do with the other. Desormeaux is confident in his ability and the trainers like Frankel and Baffert clash with his cockiness, and can\'t handle being upstaged or overshadowed by him. My personal favorite , is Eoin Harty of all people, criticizing Kent for a winning ride on Excellent Meeting in the 1999 Santa Anita Oaks, and watching this genius lose A.P. Warrior to Shireffs, who actually looks to have a chance in the Derby. Way to go Eoin !! and by the way, how many Derby winners have you trained ? Somehow Baffert managed to avoid critiscm for not running Excellent Meeting against Silverbulletday in the Kentucky Oaks, it what could be construed, as an attempt to insure his good friend Mike Pegram a Kentucky Oaks victory. CAN YOU SAY CONFLICT OF INTEREST!!! Messing with the integrity of the game. Baffert really was never called to the carpet for this. Desormeaux oversleeps one time, big freaking deal. Baffert has made me a lot of money by the way, still don\'t like his treatment of Kent D. Evidently the guy has atrocious manners or something.
Monarchos Wrote:
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> I notice that you say , i cashed on Bailey on Sea
> Hero, therefore you seem to imply that it
> exonerates him for blowing the ride on Empire
> Maker. I don\'t see what one has to do with the
I\'m disagreeing with your assertion that Desormeaux is the equal of Jerry Bailey. The Sea Hero and Grindstone rides were works of art. I benefitted from one and it cost me big on the other. Neither one was a favorite. Grindstone would have been 20-1 but for the coupling. If he had been I would have reversed.
> Desormeaux is confident in his ability and
> the trainers like Frankel and Baffert clash with
> his cockiness, and can\'t handle being upstaged or
> overshadowed by him. My personal favorite , is
> Eoin Harty of all people, criticizing Kent for a
> winning ride on Excellent Meeting in the 1999
> Santa Anita Oaks, and watching this genius lose
> A.P. Warrior to Shireffs,
They paid 1.3 million for A.P Warrior and they got a Grade II with Bafferts 3rd stringer about to wear him down. Of course they are desperate. Desperate men take desperate measures. Shireffs is not Houdini. That myth busts next Saturday.
who actually looks to
> have a chance in the Derby. Way to go Eoin !! and
> by the way, how many Derby winners have you
> trained ?
I\'m tied with Derby winners with the legendary Ben Jones at 6. Saturday I take the lead. Altough he had fewer cracks at it.
> Somehow Baffert managed to avoid
> critiscm for not running Excellent Meeting against
> Silverbulletday in the Kentucky Oaks, it what
> could be construed, as an attempt to insure his
> good friend Mike Pegram a Kentucky Oaks victory.
> CAN YOU SAY CONFLICT OF INTEREST!!! Messing with
> the integrity of the game. Baffert really was
> never called to the carpet for this. Desormeaux
> oversleeps one time, big freaking deal. Baffert
> has made me a lot of money by the way, still don\'t
> like his treatment of Kent D. Evidently the guy
> has atrocious manners or something.
I\'m not sure what Desormeaux\'s lack of responsibility has to do with Baffert not entering a horse. If the owners of the race wanted to run, they fire Baffert. If Desormeaux wants to ride SnS all he apparently has to do is show up on time with the clerk of scales. Nothing else seems to matter with his Maryland connections. Big Mistake.
CTC-- show me where you are on record. Some of us really are, and have been for a long time.
Last chance, pal. I was nice enough to fire my warning shots at you privately, but I\'m done with that. No more warnings.
They show it on NBC and ESPN Derby coverage. Perhaps you could form a more informed opinion if you have all the facts. He was absolutely stopped cold.
TGJB Wrote:
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> CTC-- show me where you are on record. Some of us
> really are, and have been for a long time.
>
> Last chance, pal. I was nice enough to fire my
> warning shots at you privately, but I\'m done with
> that. No more warnings.
Jerry, is this a unilateral punching bag contest? Where you get to take potshots at my handicapping prowess and don\'t expect any counter punching where you\'re potentially vulnerable?
I dont have time to dig the picks right now. I have the Derby Trial to win, but if you\'re serious, however far your board archives go back i\'ll dig them up tomorrow or Monday.
If I prove my selections, will that insulate me from retaliatory banning for proving myself correct or disagreeing with some of your faster figures? Not just disagreeing, but identifying the flawed figures, calling them flawed at the time and seeing later results tend to shed light upon them as flawed?
Certainly they are a small number overall. Certainly, far less than 1%. But they are the tough figures to make, because if you take note, the figures I generally take issue with are for developing 3YO\'s. (Well maybe GZ and I\'ll have to acquiesce that results say you were correct.) Figures for 3YO\'s are fraught with peril. I just think I know where some of the pitfalls are, because I\'ve fallen in them before.
So I disagree vehemently upon Bellamy Road. That said, I\'ve heard rumor of your figures for two horses I\'m very high upon this year. Its not about disagreeing with you. Its about winning. Thats all it is.
The Derby is the greatest handicapping contest. Period. It all comes together there and its what I focus upon. Whose your star TFigs Las Vegas National Contest handicapper? Bring him on.
last post of day, i\'ll respond to your inquiry later if I still have access.
lol
\"Working before the renovation break, Barbaro worked five furlongs in 59.48 seconds under exercise rider Peter Brette. Trainer Michael Matz was only looking for a half-mile work, but Barbaro, from the half-mile pole, rolled through fractions of 13.06 seconds, 25.06, 35.70, 47.21 and was caught galloping out six furlongs in 1:12.14.\"
Take a look at this ones eighths 12, 10.64,11.51. Mike Welch, drf, writes a rather flattering clockers report on this one.
The issue with you has nothing to do with handicapping, it has to do with annoying the crap out of me and everyone else to get the attention you crave. If you insult anyone again (i.e. idiocy), you\'re gone. Again.
Meanwhile, show where you went on record in advance on the Derby. As I recall you took a lot of heat for prior redboarding, and so finally came out with a pick in the 04 Derby in advance, which won. Don\'t remember any before that.
I don\'t know if it\'s relavent or not...but nobody gave Kent D. any credit in this whole thread about his ride on Fu Peg. ABC had the iso/zoom cam on him the whole way around. If you ever get a chance...find that footage and you will see the most perfect derby ride ever. Period...A hand ride too....
Mike some clockers got him in :46 flat for a half. Best derby work since maybe General Assembly (57 and change) many moons ago. He clearly is a turf horse looking at his action and his pedigree, and I am still probably tossing him but it was very impressive indeed. bbb
TGJB -
In hopes of avoiding a protracted message recounting past Derby glories from the War Room (and so that he can focus on whether Kent Desormeaux did or did not get a wake-up call from his Louisville hotel this morning), I\'m reposting a couple of archived posts by Chuckles (who was apparently then going by Tabitha):
The Derby (20 Views)
Posted by: Tabitha (IP Logged)
Date: May 4, 2002 08:40PM
My Derby selection is War Emblem to win. War Emblem boxed with Saarland and Harlan\'s Holiday. Minor box with Request for Parole.
Re: The Bet........ (4 Views)
Posted by: Tabitha (IP Logged)
Date: May 3, 2003 06:08PM
Funny Cide is my key horse. I will not be betting as much to win on him as War Emblem but consider him my winner. I like his Slewacide breeding.
One of my personal favorites is Shoemakers ride on Ferdinand
Bell,
I agree he may be a grass horse ultimately, but any horse with internal splits like him is always very dangerous.If he continues to train up big, I\'ll use him the most.I\'ve got knocks on a couple of the shorter priced runners and the over rated one paced Bob and John.Love Baffy,but his prior record in this race means nothing to me.
Mike
Yeah, I was here pre 9/11 when some wondered what happened to the clown after 9/11 . Many wondered wondered what happenend to him.
CTC2 - That sounds about a 1000% right , I didn\'t need a race replay to see that Alex wasn\'t moving well - I thought it was partially a result of stress and fatigue of the horse not taking to the track and that perhaps the overall Derby Day experience was a huge energy drain for the horse - it happens . One time I saw a horse at MTH run poorly becouse he didn\'t like the sound of the starting gate bell , whether it was the pitch or tone of the bell no one will really ever know .
Also CTC , everyone knows your extremely knowlegable when it comes to racing and once in a red moon can post some funny stuff at times . But really , let some of this stuff go and take it easy on TG and some of the Ask the Experts posters a little bit , specially this time of year - I\'m busy and I\'m really not doing anything , I can only imagine how busy are those who work in the biz this week . I know it get\'s crazy this week and maybe , if your not to to bad , can get back around BC time if you get bounced now ...
Right now I see you at about 9-5 to get tossed this week - sound about right ? So let me ask you in advance , Do you think Sinister Minister , Keyed Entry , First Samurai will be in the 25 to 40-1 range when they run - just trying to guess how the money will go .
RICH Wrote:
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> Yeah, I was here pre 9/11 when some wondered what
> happened to the clown after 9/11 . Many wondered
> wondered what happenend to him.
I never told the board how I discovered evidence of the 9-11 plot pre attack and tried to warn the Bush White House but was taken in for interrogation and not released until post attack?
Seriously, Elmont or Saratoga Springs are the only civilized towns in that State. That 24 dollar trinket island holds no allure for me. Upstate is still beautiful.
TGJB Wrote:
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> The issue with you has nothing to do with
> handicapping, it has to do with annoying the crap
> out of me and everyone else to get the attention
> you crave. If you insult anyone again (i.e.
> idiocy), you\'re gone. Again.
>
> Meanwhile, show where you went on record in
> advance on the Derby. As I recall you took a lot
> of heat for prior redboarding, and so finally came
> out with a pick in the 04 Derby in advance, which
> won. Don\'t remember any before that.
Bitplayer pretty much dug up the posts. They are posted under the Moniker Tabitha. Its a long story. But anyway, if you doubt Tabitha is me, I resurrected her in the diatribe with Mandown over the efficacy of Projection.
The Funny Cide post was a minute before post time. The War Emblem post the night before.
If you want the losing year 2000 Anees, its in there somewhere too and I can dig it up.
I need to find the politically correct way of pointing out to people their perceptions are skewed I guess. How could anyone favor Noble Causeway in the Ben Ali? Rose did everything he could to give that one paced animal a chance in that race. He just never had a chance on that surface against that winner. Jerry did you like Noble Causeway? Did you think he was gonna Zito Pop? Be honest. What chance did you give him in that race. I thought 3rd was a heckuva result.
marcus Wrote:
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> CTC2 - That sounds about a 1000% right , I didn\'t
> need a race replay to see that Alex wasn\'t moving
> well - I thought it was partially a result of
> stress and fatigue of the horse not taking to the
> track and that perhaps the overall Derby Day
> experience was a huge energy drain for the horse
> - it happens . One time I saw a horse at MTH run
> poorly becouse he didn\'t like the sound of the
> starting gate bell , whether it was the pitch or
> tone of the bell no one will really ever know .
>
> Also CTC , everyone knows your extremely
> knowlegable when it comes to racing and once in a
> red moon can post some funny stuff at times . But
> really , you should take it easy on TG and some of
> the Ask the Experts posters a little bit ,
> specially this time of year - I\'m busy and I\'m
> really not doing anything , I can only imagine how
> busy are those who work in the biz this week . I
> know it get\'s crazy this week and maybe , if your
> not to to bad , can get back around BC time if
> you get bounced now ...
>
> Right now I see you at about 9-5 to get tossed
> this week - sound about right ? So let me ask you
> in advance , Do you think Sinister Minister ,
> Keyed Entry , First Samurai will be in the 25 to
> 40-1 range when they run - just trying to guess
> how the money will go .
>
>
>
> Edited 1 times. Last edit at 04/30/06 01:31AM by
> marcus.
I\'m thinking I\'m about Even Money to make an involuntary exit. Jerry and I have a Love Hate relationship. I love myself and he hates that...lol
Good point about there being stress in the air. I\'ve made no bones about my regard for SnS. I\'m stressed that Desormeaux can\'t be a professional leading up to a Derby with some very talented horses, many sitting on big races. I\'d seriously like to see him replaced. If this was a Corporate America decision he\'d be gone or sitting on Mobil Exxon\'s Board of Directors. I don\'t want him sitting upon that horse however.
I guess some of the board regulars have jockey loyalties. I have no allegiance to jockeys. They are tools. I\'m proposing a shiny new tool. Others like the rusty old tool thats worked for them in the past. Sometimes those old tools have already seen their best days though.
Regarding your odds question, I\'m assuming you are referring to the Breeders Cup at Churchill, because First Samurai is way off the Derby Trail. I think First Samurai will run in the Breeders Cup, but it will be in the Sprint or the Mile. I\'m guessing he winds up in the Mile. The same will be true for Keyed Entry by that time, Sprint or Mile. Sinister Minister is a whole nuther issue. By the B.C. he will probably be retired or mentioned in the same breath as Dr. Fager.
>I\'m stressed that Desormeaux can\'t be a professional
Agreed, if he was tucking bucks at the Longfield Deja Vu or hung over or doing something even worse, people need to know it. The Derby ride requires premiere concentration, none of the above are good for that. The late Ronnie Hansen Derby week stories, like the late John Matuzak Super Bowl week stories, are still told around Louisville. Kent is apparently auditioning for the part now .
>If this was a Corporate America decision he\'d be gone or sitting on Mobil Exxon\'s Board of Directors.
Or on the Magna Board.
>I\'m proposing a shiny new tool.
See Call 1-888-976-GARY post. He kicked his ass three times in a row with Silver Charm/Free House. He would do it again.
>Sinister Minister is a whole nuther issue. By the B.C. he will probably be >retired or mentioned in the same breath as Dr. Fager.
Or Bellamy Road
Silver Charm Wrote:
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> >I\'m stressed that Desormeaux can\'t be a
> professional
>
> Agreed, if he was tucking bucks at the Longfield
> Deja Vu or hung over or doing something even
> worse, people need to know it. The Derby ride
> requires premiere concentration, none of the above
> are good for that. The late Ronnie Hansen Derby
> week stories, like the late John Matuzak Super
> Bowl week stories, are still told around
> Louisville. Kent is apparently auditioning for the
> part now .
>
> >If this was a Corporate America decision he\'d
> be gone or sitting on Mobil Exxon\'s Board of
> Directors.
>
> Or on the Magna Board.
>
> >I\'m proposing a shiny new tool.
>
> See Call 1-888-976-GARY post. He kicked his ass
> three times in a row with Silver Charm/Free House.
> He would do it again.
>
> >Sinister Minister is a whole nuther issue. By
> the B.C. he will probably be >retired or
> mentioned in the same breath as Dr. Fager.
>
> Or Bellamy Road
>
Silver, I read you \"Just Call Gary\" post. He\'d be a perfect fit for Silver Cha....I mean Sweetnorthernsaint. Same pace style as the 1997 Derby per my eye.
Heck they ought to hire Gary for Barbaro. He\'d beat up Desormeaux and take his lunch money same way they did in grade school.
Sinister had a very interesting work yesterday. Baffert said he didn\'t \"Wow\" him. It wasn\'t the fastest of the day either and if you scan Sinisters work lines he always runs the fastest of the day. That is until yesteray. He was a full second plus slower than Lawyer Ron and Sharp Humor. What to make of that? However, he was moving effortless according to observers and he did unleash a late burst per radio instruction. He was under restraint the whole way and he DID effectively change to his left lead which is something he did not do in his prior two races. What to make of that?
>He was under restraint the whole way and he DID effectively change to his left lead which is something he did not do in his prior two races. What to make of that?
Sinister is razor sharp and full of run now.
>He\'d beat up Desormeaux and take his lunch money same way they did in grade school.
I doubt that he would have to even throw punch with this candy.
I just called 1-888-976-GARY and its been busy for the last 15 minutes. You think that means something.......
I forgot abot Samurai and not surprised , his time off was definately warrented . All of his 2 yo numbers + that neg 2 in his 3 yo debut were pointing in one direction , the wrong one ...
I don\'t care whose up on a horse either , they\'re all in the jockey\'s union etc , although for instance when Krone came back a couple times ago she wouldn\'t come through on the inside or come through in tight quarters and if the horse needed to save ground one had to think about that when handicapping ...
JESUS!!!! He overslept for chrissake. Dunno about you keyboard jocks but I oversleep once a month. He is a big rider. He will not choke a potential Derby win. Yes he might go wide. He gave Imperialism basically the same trip he gave Fu Peg and in 2004 he got stuck down in there. Break and settle, put him on the fence down the back side and sneak through on the turn.
Under SNS He sits 6th down the back side on the outside in the clear, goes three wide on the final turn, throws some crosses, sets him down for the drive and wins by three lengths. Here are your exotics:
SNS
Over
Lawyer
Barbaro
AP Warrior
Jazil
Showing Up
Pt Determined
Uncle Buck Wrote:
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> JESUS!!!! He overslept for chrissake. Dunno about
> you keyboard jocks but I oversleep once a month.
> He is a big rider. He will not choke a potential
> Derby win. Yes he might go wide. He gave
> Imperialism basically the same trip he gave Fu Peg
> and in 2004 he got stuck down in there. Break and
> settle, put him on the fence down the back side
> and sneak through on the turn.
>
> Under SNS He sits 6th down the back side on the
> outside in the clear, goes three wide on the final
> turn, throws some crosses, sets him down for the
> drive and wins by three lengths. Here are your
> exotics:
>
> SNS
> Over
> Lawyer
> Barbaro
> AP Warrior
> Jazil
> Showing Up
> Pt Determined
I see the bad moon arising.
I see trouble on the way.
I see wide on turns thats frightnin.
I see bad times Saturday.
Desormeaux sleeps late, that\'s right,
and thats bound to cause you strife,
There's a bad moon on the rise.
I hear hurricanes ablowing.
I know the end is coming soon.
I fear the rivers over flowing.
I see Saint bettors filled with gloom.
All right!
Desormeaux don\'t care, that\'s right,
and thats bound to cause you strife,
There's a bad moon on the rise.
Hope you got your things together.
Hope you are quite prepared to die.
Looks like he\'s in for nasty weather.
One eye is taken for an eye.
Desormeaux goes Wide, that\'s right,
and thats bound to cause you strife,
There's a bad moon on the rise.
Yes he overslept, we all have, but do we turn off our cell phones so our bosses or fellow employees can\'t touch base with us? Well,if I was going back to Louisville where I had some past glory, I might look up some old friends & disconnect the phone too on second thought. Gotta keep an ear open to this situation, SNS is definately the wise guy horse now, and damn 1 of mine also.
Chuckle Fogerty?
Chuckles_the_Clown2 Wrote:
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>> Words from his own mouth, regarding his belief
> that his horse was so good he shouldn\'t have been
> beaten. Jockeys can keep a horse from winning. I
> don\'t think Rose got in the way, but only a good
> kid with talent would speak from his heart like
> that.
>
> I want him on SnS
You\'re insane. There are a reason guys like Russell Baze, Joe Bravo, Jeremy Rose, and others never are able to shine in the big spotlight on a consistent basis. It\'s one or a combination of riding skills, attitude, work ethic, etc. You think Rose enjoys grinding it out at LRL, PIM, and DEL? Or how about Baze at BM and GG? Yeah, I\'m sure a thirtysomething Bravo loves MTH and MED over SAR and BEL. These guys aren\'t in Desormeaux\'s league and it\'s what separates the Baileys, Stevens, and McCarrons from guys who can dominate the small pond, but turn into chum when they hit the big time.
ezgoer89 Wrote:
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> Chuckles_the_Clown2 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >> Words from his own mouth, regarding his
> belief
> > that his horse was so good he shouldn\'t have
> been
> > beaten. Jockeys can keep a horse from
> winning. I
> > don\'t think Rose got in the way, but only a
> good
> > kid with talent would speak from his heart
> like
> > that.
> >
> > I want him on SnS
>
> You\'re insane. There are a reason guys like
> Russell Baze, Joe Bravo, Jeremy Rose, and others
> never are able to shine in the big spotlight on a
> consistent basis. It\'s one or a combination of
> riding skills, attitude, work ethic, etc. You
> think Rose enjoys grinding it out at LRL, PIM, and
> DEL? Or how about Baze at BM and GG? Yeah, I\'m
> sure a thirtysomething Bravo loves MTH and MED
> over SAR and BEL. These guys aren\'t in
> Desormeaux\'s league and it\'s what separates the
> Baileys, Stevens, and McCarrons from guys who can
> dominate the small pond, but turn into chum when
> they hit the big time.
This is the very thing I was referring to. You refer to me as \"insane\" and I have to be civil with you. Theres a double standard. I don\'t think I\'ve directly called anyone names here, but you\'re also exhibiting the very lack of attention to detail that I was referring to. I apparently have to say something nice about you now. I like your nick.
Rose is about 26 years old and already has two Triple Crown races on his resume. He came close to a Breeders Cup win as well. He\'s a trememdous physical athlete as his remaining in the saddle in the Preakness amply demonstrates. He saves ground. He\'s fearless. You can\'t compare him to the old guys that didn\'t move up when their opportunity knocked.
Theres something else going on right now. The icons of the saddle are all retiring. Day, Bailey, Stevens, Pincay, Delahoussaye, McCarron. Others are getting old and have lost the edge they once had: Smith, Desormeaux, Solis. Santos, just to name a few. Theres a void and it will need to be filled. The guys you mentioned clearly are not going to fill that void. Jeremy Rose has all the pedigree to fill it and thats the difference. To a great extent he\'s already there and though it doesn\'t matter to you. I\'d much prefer that \"kid\" on a horse like SnS than a jock like Desormeaux that hasn\'t accomplished as much as has been intimated and who pulls bonehead rides and who now obviously can\'t be trusted.
As I began with I dont\' bet Jocks. But theres horses where a clear thinking, quick reflexed jockey are important. I think SnS is such a horse and Desormeaux is a liability. Desormeaux is not making that horse. He could louse him up.
I speak on here like I would speak to my friends... insane is not literal. Anyway, by your standards, Stew Elliot has two TC wins... sure as heck wouldn\'t put him on my Classic horse either.
CTC-- yeah, some double standard. You keep going down that road and we\'ll be talking about those drunken posts that got you barred the first time around.
I\'ll credit you with the Derby picks. But my problem is not with your loving yourself, you don\'t-- those that do don\'t feel the need to brag constantly or have a pathological need for attention, and I don\'t care about your issues one way or the other. My problem is with your behavior on this site, and I\'m going to deal with it if it continues. Yes, Easy\'s comment was insulting-- but guess who created the climate for that. You don\'t see a whole lot of guys insulting each other on this site when they disagree-- except when you are involved.
JB, as a passerby, who reads this board daily (if not every other day)... I don\'t see why you are dogging CTC. BUT, thats just me!
TGJB Wrote:
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> CTC-- yeah, some double standard. You keep going
> down that road and we\'ll be talking about those
> drunken posts that got you barred the first time
> around.
Contrary to popular belief those posts where not made in a drunken fog. If I\'m not mistaken I was goading your friend Alydar who was always an easy mark.
>
> I\'ll credit you with the Derby picks. But my
> problem is not with your loving yourself, you
> don\'t-- those that do don\'t feel the need to brag
> constantly or have a pathological need for
> attention, and I don\'t care about your issues one
> way or the other.
Jerry, I think you missed your calling. You\'re pretty darn good at Figure Making, I saw your concern cited at Three Chimney\'s in regard to Smarty Jones speed figures, but I think where your heart lays is psychology. You coulda been a shrink and thats reputable work.
> My problem is with your behavior
> on this site, and I\'m going to deal with it if it
> continues. Yes, Easy\'s comment was insulting-- but
> guess who created the climate for that. You don\'t
> see a whole lot of guys insulting each other on
> this site when they disagree-- except when you are
> involved.
Why is that?
Well, what do you think of the following. If you had Victor Espinoza lined up to work Super Frolic before the this years Breeders Cup Classic and flew him in a week before his only work on the track for that race and he missed that work, would you retain him for the race knowing his excuse was he \"overslept\"? If this bothers some folks here I can\'t help it.
I know thats a hypothetical question and theres many variables to consider, the least of which not being the availbility of a suitable replacement, but assuming its your call, what would you do?
To me it makes all the difference in the world.
ezgoer89 Wrote:
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> I speak on here like I would speak to my
> friends... insane is not literal. Anyway, by your
> standards, Stew Elliot has two TC wins... sure as
> heck wouldn\'t put him on my Classic horse either.
ok no offense actually taken
I may even ride SnS down to disaster with Desormeaux
There are indeed a lot of variables in your hypothetical, but I\'ll tell you what I wouldn\'t do-- make a decision a week before a big race that lessens a horse\'s chances. And that\'s not a comment on Kent-- he\'ll never ride for Parra again after the ride on SF in the Pacific Classic. You definitely don\'t want that ride in the Derby.
On the other, you just can\'t figure out the right move is to shut the ---- up, huh. Okay-- so you\'re saying you wrote those anti-semitic posts cold sober?
TGJB Wrote:
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> There are indeed a lot of variables in your
> hypothetical, but I\'ll tell you what I wouldn\'t
> do-- make a decision a week before a big race that
> lessens a horse\'s chances. And that\'s not a
> comment on Kent-- he\'ll never ride for Parra again
> after the ride on SF in the Pacific Classic. You
> definitely don\'t want that ride in the Derby.
Calvin Borel did a fine job during the work. To my eye Desormeaux has been a passenger on SoS. Theres some good jocks out there much more dedicated to discipline at this stage of their careers. More amenable to listening to advice. With Desormeaux youre on an island. Hes a castaway and is gonna do whatever he thinks because no one is there with him.
> On the other, you just can\'t figure out the right
> move is to shut the ---- up, huh. Okay-- so you\'re
> saying you wrote those anti-semitic posts cold
> sober?
Was I actually anti-semitic for the sake of hate? Or, was I pro American and adamant about removing those from our offices of power that do not think of America's interests first and foremost? But more importantly, did I handicap that race accurately? Wasn\'t I saying it was improperly influenced and a huge mistake from the very beginning? Its over now, but the dual citizens in Bush\'s Whitehouse couldn\'t have hoped to happen across a more malleable man than the one they influenced. The guy is clay. That invasion ran against all our Principles, was a monumental mistake and is something that we will regret but once and that will be continually.
Alydar would probably enjoy an extended diatribe upon the subject, but this is my last commentary. Even if I am crazy and filled with anti Semitism for hate\'s sake, I win the Derby and that's all that matters.
Would now be a good time for a funny Jewish joke?
CTC--
1-- The comments I was referring to had nothing to do with foreign policy.
2-- On your site, picking the Derby can be the only thing that matters. I\'ve told you what matters here. And as you were then, you are walking a fine line. There\'s a limited amount of time I\'m gonna spend letting you play on the edges, or time I\'m gonna waste on you.
SNS is now down to 6-1 on the biggest offshore site. He\'s now the official wiseguy horse.
I can see what there is to like about w/ SNS but do you think their are concerns amoung these off shore wise guys that SNS\'s pattern look\'s a bit like First Samurai\'s and how do you suppose they view Keyed Entry .
Maybe that kind of question is easier to address when the numbers come later in the season as opposed to earlier in the case of FS .
As usuall , I\'m really loking forward to hear your Derby seminar this year Jerry , it looks like a good betting race and 6-1 seems short on SNS but it\'s got to be tough to leave him out alltogether .
As I\'ve said in a previous post , I\'m going with your ex-tri-sprf plays + p3\'s etc becouse there is no one better at this than you , specially in the big ones .
Though I\'ve been wondering about the Derby this afternoon as I watch the Mets ( getting croaked at CD but making it up at PIM + Hol ) and Suppose a senario arises where someone like Bushfire puts up another crooked number and a couple wise guy horses and a favorite or 2 run out , do we try to out wise guy the wise guy\'s again ...
From Mike Welch DRF:
Work of the day
If Dick Vitale were on hand during training hours here Saturday, he would have described Barbaro\'s final Derby work (five furlongs in 59.48 seconds) as \"awesome baby!\"
Barbaro and exercise rider Peter Brette had to call an audible just prior to beginning the work when a siren signaling a loose horse forced them to stop briefly as they approached the half-mile pole. Brette wisely waited until all was clear, backed Barbaro up an eighth of a mile, then turned around and began again.
Barbaro broke off slowly, covering his opening eighth of a mile in 13.06 seconds and quarter in 25.06 before really leveling out and accelerating once entering the stretch. Barbaro proceeded to cover the next three furlongs in an eye catching 34.42 around the turn to the seven-eighths pole before galloping out six furlongs in 1:12.14 with Brette offering little encouragement. In fact, he went so easily after crossing the finish line that it was difficult to tell when the actual work had ended and the gallop-out began. Track clockers credited him with a half-mile in 46 from the three-eighths to seven-eighths pole.
As noted Friday, Barbaro has the high leg action of a turf horse and as a result he does hit the ground harder than most. But the manner in which he stretches out effortlessly and covers ground more than makes up for his action, and Barbaro couldn\'t be doing any better coming into the Derby.
The 12 other Derby workers are listed in the order in which they went to the track.
Sunriver (seven furlongs in 1:26.38) - Worked under the cloak of darkness at 6:10 a.m. under Hall of Fame jockey Angel Cordero Jr. in company with stablemate Harlington, who won the Grade 2 Gulfstream Park Handicap in his last start. Loved the way Sunriver pulled away from his older and more experienced workmate approaching the wire, despite the fact Harlington was under moderate pressure in a vain attempt to keep pace. Sunriver increased his advantage with little pressure around the turn to the seven-eighths pole. Could be a sleeper if he somehow manages to get into the Derby field.
Red Raymond (five furlongs in 59.72) - Was under some pressure to complete his final quarter in a sharp 23.43, but has very little chance to start.
Sweetnorthernsaint (six furlongs in 1:11.79) - The last of the Derby horses to work before the renovation break, he went in company with stablemate Fleet Valid. Calvin Borel subbed for regular rider Kent Desormeaux, who overslept and missed the work.
Equipped in blinkers, Sweetnorthernsaint broke off about a half-length behind and outside his workmate, with the pair fanning four wide off the turn and remaining on even terms to the eighth pole through fractions of 12.22, 23.98, 36.10, 47.85, and 59. Borel shook the reins briefly nearing midstretch and Sweetnorthern-saint accelerated nicely to easily pull away from his struggling mate while striding out well at the end. He galloped out seven furlongs in a solid 1:25.94. Seems to be maintaining his sharp form.
Sinister Minister (five furlongs in 1:00.32) - Was first on the track after the break with jockey Garrett Gomez aboard. Equipped in blinkers, Sinister Minister was under a hard hold coming away from the pole to harness his abundant speed. He fanned several paths wide off the turn and seemed to tire just a bit while switching back to his left lead approaching the wire.
Lawyer Ron (five furlongs in 58.76) - Was full of run as expected coming away from the pole under jockey John McKee, cutting out early fractions of 11.66, 23.28, and 35.06 while veering out slightly coming off the turn. Was put to some urging after getting to the eighth pole in a rapid 46.67, completing his final furlong in 12.09 before galloping out six furlongs in a blistering 1:11.57. Lawyer Ron is a small but well-built and nifty colt who continues to look and train well. But he shows an aggressiveness that could cause him some problems in the big Derby lineup.
Keyed Entry (six furlongs in 1:12.52) - Another headstrong type who was very rank while exploding away from the pole under Cordero. Flew through opening fractions of 22.92 and 35.34, came a bit to hand while angling to the middle of the track out of the turn, and appeared to tire nearing the wire. He completed his final eighth in 13.10 and galloped out seven-eighths in 1:26.08. Must settle better early to have any chance on Saturday.
Steppenwolfer (six furlongs in 1:12.59) - Befitting his late-running style, Steppenwolfer was unhurried early under jockey Robby Albarado, drifted out coming off the final turn, and finished eagerly when put to pressure near the end.
Bluegrass Cat (four furlongs in 50.80, according to track clockers) - Has trained as well as anybody over the track this week, but was not asked for any real speed this morning. Appeared to bobble on a couple of occasions through the stretch. He is an enigmatic colt who has failed to reproduce his 2-year-old form and one of the toughest to gauge coming into the race.
Sharp Humor (five furlongs in 58.82) - Another of the speed types in the Derby field who displayed his quick turn of foot this morning, posting fractions of 11.47, 22.88, 34.06, and 46.15 before tiring and drifting some under late pressure. Could be destined for an early Derby duel with Sinister Minister and perhaps Keyed Entry and Lawyer Ron.
Cause to Believe (five furlongs in 1:01.51) - A visually unimpressive work, during which he bore well out leaving the turn, ducked back in sharply from a left hand stick in early stretch while also changing leads on a couple of occasions through a slow final furlong. He shut down so quickly after crossing the finish line that he was not credited with a gallop-out time.
Jazil (five furlongs in 1:00.38) - Worked in company with stablemate Flashy Bull under Cordero. Held a short advantage over his mate while racing widest of the pair before edging out just a bit farther nearing the wire. Was also the stronger of the duo galloping out, going six furlongs in 1:14.35 after getting a few slaps on the neck from Cordero around the turn.
Flashy Bull (five furlongs in 1:00.58) - Raced nearest the inside, and while not under any severe pressure, did appear to struggle just a bit to keep up with his stablemate approaching the wire and galloping out around the turn.
Kinder Gentler Chuckles:
\"Mike Welch is a very good judge of the Equine athlete. He\'s proven that many times in the past with his observations and commentary. There is one thing some others that viewed Saturdays works have commented upon and might point out if they posted here and its this: \"The track was not considered as Glib after the rennovation break.\" This was due to among other things precipitation. Maybe tracks really do change race to race or even work to work or after some track maintenance.
One other item of note. Why does Mike Welch have fractional times by the 1/8th pole for many of the horses so that he can accurately call out by the clock how they progressed through their works, but somehow, all he has posted for Sinister Minister is the Post Rennovation Workout Final Time along with the commentary he appeared to slow down after changing leads? Why is that? Perhaps Mike\'s stopwatch slipped out of his hand and he had just enough time to hit the stop timer switch as Sinister finished up wherever he did finish up. Sometimes, they don\'t necessarily begin or end their works where you\'d think. But Mike should not have to comment that he appeared to slow down. His stopwatch should tell him that, right. How do you reconcile what Mike Welch said, when other observers said Sinister finished strongly after being in restraint?
One other question, why wasn\'t Lawyer Ron\'s workout considered \"The Awesome Baby the Work of the Day?\" It was faster and on the slower post rennovation surface?
Or are all these questions evidence the Evil Chuckles is trying to get out again?\"
miff Wrote:
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> From Mike Welch DRF:
>
>
> Work of the day
>
> If Dick Vitale were on hand during training hours
> here Saturday, he would have described Barbaro\'s
> final Derby work (five furlongs in 59.48 seconds)
> as \"awesome baby!\"
>
> Barbaro and exercise rider Peter Brette had to
> call an audible just prior to beginning the work
> when a siren signaling a loose horse forced them
> to stop briefly as they approached the half-mile
> pole. Brette wisely waited until all was clear,
> backed Barbaro up an eighth of a mile, then turned
> around and began again.
>
> Barbaro broke off slowly, covering his opening
> eighth of a mile in 13.06 seconds and quarter in
> 25.06 before really leveling out and accelerating
> once entering the stretch. Barbaro proceeded to
> cover the next three furlongs in an eye catching
> 34.42 around the turn to the seven-eighths pole
> before galloping out six furlongs in 1:12.14 with
> Brette offering little encouragement. In fact, he
> went so easily after crossing the finish line that
> it was difficult to tell when the actual work had
> ended and the gallop-out began. Track clockers
> credited him with a half-mile in 46 from the
> three-eighths to seven-eighths pole.
>
> As noted Friday, Barbaro has the high leg action
> of a turf horse and as a result he does hit the
> ground harder than most. But the manner in which
> he stretches out effortlessly and covers ground
> more than makes up for his action, and Barbaro
> couldn\'t be doing any better coming into the
> Derby.
>
> The 12 other Derby workers are listed in the order
> in which they went to the track.
>
> Sunriver (seven furlongs in 1:26.38) - Worked
> under the cloak of darkness at 6:10 a.m. under
> Hall of Fame jockey Angel Cordero Jr. in company
> with stablemate Harlington, who won the Grade 2
> Gulfstream Park Handicap in his last start. Loved
> the way Sunriver pulled away from his older and
> more experienced workmate approaching the wire,
> despite the fact Harlington was under moderate
> pressure in a vain attempt to keep pace. Sunriver
> increased his advantage with little pressure
> around the turn to the seven-eighths pole. Could
> be a sleeper if he somehow manages to get into the
> Derby field.
>
> Red Raymond (five furlongs in 59.72) - Was under
> some pressure to complete his final quarter in a
> sharp 23.43, but has very little chance to start.
>
>
> Sweetnorthernsaint (six furlongs in 1:11.79) - The
> last of the Derby horses to work before the
> renovation break, he went in company with
> stablemate Fleet Valid. Calvin Borel subbed for
> regular rider Kent Desormeaux, who overslept and
> missed the work.
>
> Equipped in blinkers, Sweetnorthernsaint broke off
> about a half-length behind and outside his
> workmate, with the pair fanning four wide off the
> turn and remaining on even terms to the eighth
> pole through fractions of 12.22, 23.98, 36.10,
> 47.85, and 59. Borel shook the reins briefly
> nearing midstretch and Sweetnorthern-saint
> accelerated nicely to easily pull away from his
> struggling mate while striding out well at the
> end. He galloped out seven furlongs in a solid
> 1:25.94. Seems to be maintaining his sharp form.
>
> Sinister Minister (five furlongs in 1:00.32) - Was
> first on the track after the break with jockey
> Garrett Gomez aboard. Equipped in blinkers,
> Sinister Minister was under a hard hold coming
> away from the pole to harness his abundant speed.
> He fanned several paths wide off the turn and
> seemed to tire just a bit while switching back to
> his left lead approaching the wire.
>
> Lawyer Ron (five furlongs in 58.76) - Was full of
> run as expected coming away from the pole under
> jockey John McKee, cutting out early fractions of
> 11.66, 23.28, and 35.06 while veering out slightly
> coming off the turn. Was put to some urging after
> getting to the eighth pole in a rapid 46.67,
> completing his final furlong in 12.09 before
> galloping out six furlongs in a blistering
> 1:11.57. Lawyer Ron is a small but well-built and
> nifty colt who continues to look and train well.
> But he shows an aggressiveness that could cause
> him some problems in the big Derby lineup.
>
> Keyed Entry (six furlongs in 1:12.52) - Another
> headstrong type who was very rank while exploding
> away from the pole under Cordero. Flew through
> opening fractions of 22.92 and 35.34, came a bit
> to hand while angling to the middle of the track
> out of the turn, and appeared to tire nearing the
> wire. He completed his final eighth in 13.10 and
> galloped out seven-eighths in 1:26.08. Must settle
> better early to have any chance on Saturday.
>
> Steppenwolfer (six furlongs in 1:12.59) -
> Befitting his late-running style, Steppenwolfer
> was unhurried early under jockey Robby Albarado,
> drifted out coming off the final turn, and
> finished eagerly when put to pressure near the
> end.
>
> Bluegrass Cat (four furlongs in 50.80, according
> to track clockers) - Has trained as well as
> anybody over the track this week, but was not
> asked for any real speed this morning. Appeared to
> bobble on a couple of occasions through the
> stretch. He is an enigmatic colt who has failed to
> reproduce his 2-year-old form and one of the
> toughest to gauge coming into the race.
>
> Sharp Humor (five furlongs in 58.82) - Another of
> the speed types in the Derby field who displayed
> his quick turn of foot this morning, posting
> fractions of 11.47, 22.88, 34.06, and 46.15 before
> tiring and drifting some under late pressure.
> Could be destined for an early Derby duel with
> Sinister Minister and perhaps Keyed Entry and
> Lawyer Ron.
>
> Cause to Believe (five furlongs in 1:01.51) - A
> visually unimpressive work, during which he bore
> well out leaving the turn, ducked back in sharply
> from a left hand stick in early stretch while also
> changing leads on a couple of occasions through a
> slow final furlong. He shut down so quickly after
> crossing the finish line that he was not credited
> with a gallop-out time.
>
> Jazil (five furlongs in 1:00.38) - Worked in
> company with stablemate Flashy Bull under Cordero.
> Held a short advantage over his mate while racing
> widest of the pair before edging out just a bit
> farther nearing the wire. Was also the stronger of
> the duo galloping out, going six furlongs in
> 1:14.35 after getting a few slaps on the neck from
> Cordero around the turn.
>
> Flashy Bull (five furlongs in 1:00.58) - Raced
> nearest the inside, and while not under any severe
> pressure, did appear to struggle just a bit to
> keep up with his stablemate approaching the wire
> and galloping out around the turn.
>
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> Edited 1 times. Last edit at 04/30/06 05:48PM by
> miff.
>SNS is now down to 6-1 on the biggest offshore site. He\'s now the official wiseguy horse.
He has been the wise guy horse for about a week. The others are just catching on.
How much he can be played at that price with soft but very fast form requires the \"Buyer Beware Disclaimer\".
Just read this whole email trail. All I can say is that as long as chuckles keeps backing SM, he wont have much to say after the race