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Title: Bailey Profile
Post by: asfufh on January 18, 2006, 09:10:19 PM
Jerry Bailey Profile
 
 
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Jan 18, 7:39 PM (ET)

By The Associated Press
NAME - Jerry Bailey

AGE, BIRTHDAY - 48, Aug. 29, 1957, in Dallas

RESIDENCE - Davie, Fla.

FAMILY - Suzee (wife); Justin (son)

TRIPLE CROWN WINS - Sea Hero (1993 Kentucky Derby); Grindstone (1996 Derby); Hansel (1991 Preakness, Belmont); Red Bullet (2000 Preakness); Empire Maker (2003 Belmont Stakes)

 
OTHER TOP WINS - 15 Breeders\' Cup victories, including five Classics (Black Tie Affair, 1991); (Arcangues, 1993); (Concern, 1994); (Cigar, 1995); (Saint Liam, 2005) ... Travers (Wise Times, 1986); (Sea Hero, 1993); (Medaglia d\'Oro, 2002) ... Dubai World Cup (Cigar, 1996); (Singspiel, 1997); (Captain Steve, 2000); (Street Cry, 2002).

ACCOMPLISHMENTS - Won seven Eclipse Awards for best jockey in 1995, \'96, \'97, 2000, \'01, \'02, \'03 ... Inducted into racing\'s Hall of Fame in 1995 ... Became first rider to top $20 million in seasonal earnings, in 2001 ... All-time leading rider at Saratoga. Recorded record-setting win No. 641 on Aug. 6, 2004 ... Leading rider in Breeders\' Cup history with record 15 wins, including record five in Breeders\' Cup Classic. Total Breeders\' Cup earnings are $22,006,440, second to Pat Day ... Second-leading money-earning rider with $295,868,139 through Jan. 17 ... Has 5,890 winners as of Jan. 17 ... Won five Belmont fall riding titles, four spring/summer titles and seven Saratoga titles ... Former president of Jockeys\' Guild.
Title: Re: Bailey Profile
Post by: sighthound on January 19, 2006, 10:02:18 AM
I was killing an hour in the local bookstore, and picked up his biography yesterday, so far very interesting and engaging.

Title: Re: Bailey Profile
Post by: miff on January 19, 2006, 11:37:23 AM
Sight,

Does it have anything about the numerous times he personally called the owners of good horses to ask them to take off their jock and put him on.He used to sell some story about how he \"saw\" something flawed in their current jocks ride.

Also, does it say anything about how a great majority of his fellow jocks despise his sneaky ways.
Title: Re: Bailey Profile
Post by: sighthound on January 20, 2006, 09:40:48 AM
I\'m only just through the first half (had to work yesterday) ... Bailey just joined AA and has seen the light.  Shall see what is revealed in the second and third acts

There are not many books published about the TB horse business. I guess the standard of general interest would be \"Wild Ride\".  Just finished that new book about the Hancocks, which sparked some fascinating hours of pedigree research review and study - which horses, what conformation, what bloodlines, why?  Can that model even be repeated in today\'s business climate?  Should it be?

I find most books about this sport thinner on content and depth than I\'d like.

Title: Re: Bailey Profile
Post by: richiebee on January 20, 2006, 12:14:29 PM
Sighthound:

  (With apologies to Bobphilo and D-Rex for yet another post on my behalf which refuses to go anywhere near the Ky Calvary Charge).

   Second your vote on WILD RIDE, the story of the incredible implosion of Calumet, the death of Alydar, and how R. Lundy turned the Wright family fortune in excess of $600 million into a bunch of claims in Bankruptcy Court.

   SEABISCUIT of course must be mentioned, amazing that a book about thoroughbred racing could be at the top of bestseller lists. THE BIG HORSE, by Joe McGinnis (the biography of PG Johnson) also a good read. GUESS I\'M LUCKY, a bio of Woodford Cephis Stephens was a very good read, may be out of print. THE KID, the late Pete Axthelm\'s profile of apprentice Steve Cauthen, a great look at NY racing in the 70s, Team Affirmed and Laz Barrera.

   D WAYNE, by Carlo Devito could have been a great read if written by a sportswriter who knew racing... actually a good read considering it is poorly written and even more poorly edited, if at all. A book I have not read is called LUKAS AT AUCTION, which chronicles how the Lukas/ Gene Klein juggernaut of the 80s was nowhere near as lucrative a proposition as one might have been lead to believe.
Title: Re: Bailey Profile
Post by: TGJB on January 20, 2006, 12:40:43 PM
Get hold of Tarnsished Crown, the best non-fiction racing book I have ever read by far (I didn\'t read Seabiscuit). It\'s out of print, you might be able to find it in the library.
Title: Re: Bailey Profile
Post by: HP on January 20, 2006, 01:16:05 PM
I will add two pretty good ones:

I just read \"Horseplayers\" by Ted McClelland.  The guy spends a year at the track in Chicago.  I can\'t say it gave me much in the way of handicapping insight, but I enjoyed it and it made me feel...normal for enjoying horse racing.  

I\'m in the middle of one now that is really different...it\'s called \"Laughing In The Hills\" by Bill Barich.  Again, the emphasis is on life around the track instead of handicapping.  Barich is unique as a racing writer as he\'s able to wax poetic and convey nuts and bolts at the same time.  
Title: Re: Bailey Profile
Post by: richiebee on January 20, 2006, 02:08:02 PM
I read Laughing in the Hills when it was first published, and again a couple of summers ago. It has a different perspective, but personally I thought it could have been better if its setting was a larger track, with more prominent jocks and trainers and more significant horses... and whats up with all that medieval Italian stuff?

In a darker shade, Track Conditions, A Memoir by Michael Klein. Klein, an openly homosexual college age man with substance abuse problems, ends up on the backstretch, getting to the point where he is grooming Swale as a 2YO. The next Spring, having run afoul of Woody Stephens the entire winter (Woody was much more tolerant of Klein\'s substance problems than he was of some of Klein\'s other lifestyle choices) Klein and Swale end up in the winner\'s circle at Churchill. Before the running of the Preakness Klein goes on a drunk that even scares the Woodman, gets fired and of course later emerges as a prime suspect in Swale\'s  tragic death before the Belmont.

Klein\'s narrative of his drunken, abusive father taking him to the track as a young teen, his descriptions of life behind the scenes at tracks large and small are very incisive, as are his observations about the legendary Stephens. I could have done without the graphic descriptions of homosexual acts, but it didn\'t get to the point where it detracted from the story.

The only thing better than a lie is a true story which nobody can believe. What I find unbelievable is that the creator/ distributor of a world renowned product, which carries the name of a truly legendary pioneer in the business, would allow his bulletin board to be used for hate speech which reaches near libelous levels each day. I feel badly for a fellow who has to carry such a strong hatred around with him each day, chafing his nates till they are burned to a crispy crunch, but its even more unfortunate that he brings down the integrity of a certain product each time he cries out in pain.
Title: Re: Bailey Profile
Post by: tmon on January 20, 2006, 03:19:29 PM
The full title and author is Tarnished Crown: The Quest for a Racetrack Champion by Flake, Carol. It can be found through Bookfinder.com and abebooks.com
Title: Re: Bailey Profile
Post by: shanahan on January 20, 2006, 05:00:00 PM
JB - the book Seabiscuit makes the movie look like a commercial...the book is fantastic.
Title: Re: Bailey Profile
Post by: Uncle Buck on January 22, 2006, 10:41:35 AM
I liked Bailey\'s book. Being a recovering alcoholic myself, I found his jounrey similar to mine and a good read. He admits his sour behavior and when he was in the depths of his disease would ride a bad horse and bring it back to be unsaddled and bark out \"this horse belongs at finger lakes!\" LOL

Love him or hate him, I think he\'s changed his behavior and his life for the better. People who know him closely would really be the only one\'s to pass faire judgement on him.

The Cigar portion of the book was very special as I came along to the game in 1995 when the big horse was in his prime.

This book is a great read no matter whatg you think of the man
Title: Re: Bailey Profile
Post by: shanahan on January 23, 2006, 03:19:14 AM
I think Jerry Bailey will be the first truly honest color man in any sport and I am looking forward to listening to him on TV.  I doubt he\'ll have any of the cliches and \"it just didn\'t happen for him today, Tom\"...I think it\'ll be more of \"the problem was he was afraid to go inside and take the rail\"...I really do.
Title: Re: Bailey Profile
Post by: texasdolly on January 23, 2006, 11:02:23 AM
Let me second shanahan\'s appraisal of Seabiscuit.  The prose crackles like fiction.  I gave this book to two people who barely knew one end of a horse from another and both thought it was among the best books they had ever read.  Dwarfs the movie.
Title: Re: Hey Richie
Post by: magicnight on January 23, 2006, 01:15:36 PM
I post this only because you seem to have read every recent, good book about racing. It is certainly out of print and may be hard to find, but, This Was Racing by Joe Palmer is one of the best and funniest books on racing you will ever read.

Bob
Title: Re: Bailey Profile
Post by: sighthound on January 23, 2006, 01:59:20 PM
There is a \"bigger\" edition of Seabiscuit out with many more pics - if you are going to purchase a copy, I\'d recommend this edition.

Finished Bailey\'s biog, now halfway through \"Ruffian, Burning From The Start\" by Jane Schwartz.    Excellent.   It\'s bringing it all back from years ago, with overwhelming sadness.

Title: Re: Bailey Profile
Post by: manning on January 23, 2006, 02:14:51 PM
Any discussion of material in the horse racing genre has to include \"Good Vibes,\" Jay Cronley\'s book upon which the movie \"Let it Ride\" is based.  It\'s at the opposite end of the more serious subject matter spectrum than most of the books mentioned here, but unforgettable once you\'ve read it.  Laugh-out-loud funny...
Title: Re: Bailey Profile - Let It Ride
Post by: shanahan on January 23, 2006, 06:46:49 PM
you reminded me of my most frustrating thing with \"let it ride\" (the greatest of all movies)...can someone let me know where to find the title song \"money talks\"?  No racing day CD in the car is right without it!

And be honest - no matter where you play - we all know those characters, don\'t we?  Or, are we?!!
Title: Re: Bailey Profile - Let It Ride
Post by: P-Dub on January 23, 2006, 09:07:46 PM
Its got to be in the credits somewhere. I\'ll take the homework assignment and find out for you. I can\'t believe a Raider fan is helping someone named \"shanahan\", I guess horseracing trumps football.
Title: Re: Bailey Profile - Let It Ride
Post by: NoCarolinaTony on January 23, 2006, 10:30:41 PM
The modern day Trackie..is a guy who sits in a simulcast facility blaring his TV volume, with tracks that include Bataglia as loud as his TV will let it rip followed by Roger Houston from the Meadows then by the guy from Northfield..yelling \"and there they are\"...You ask politely to turn down the TV only to get more Volume......and a FU.....and this is america and I paid for my TV..blah blah blah...


NC Tony
Title: Re: Bailey Profile - Let It Ride
Post by: P-Dub on January 24, 2006, 02:01:57 AM
Money Talks
Music-Giorgio Moroder
Performed-Sherwood Ball

I looked everywhere and couldn\'t find it. Amazon, ITUNES.......  Couldn\'t find the soundtrack either.
Title: Re: Bailey Profile - Let It Ride
Post by: shanahan on January 24, 2006, 04:09:30 AM
same frustration on my end in looking as well!  by the way, the \"shanahan\" comes from naming my Jack Russell after my favorite hockey player...definitely no Broncos fan!

Tony - come on in to Oaklawn Park (we had the usual 60K fans this weekend) for the festival...the only odd thing there is the ridiculous cheering when a favorite wins - pools are great, no one bitching there!  People are very friendly.
Title: Re: Bailey Profile - Let It Ride
Post by: HP on January 24, 2006, 06:10:34 AM
I recently saw \"Let It Ride\" again, and I will incur the wrath of the board by saying it\'s an OKAY movie with some jarringly bad elements.  The music in particular is awful and dated.  David Johansen is terrible, as are some of the other supporting players.  It\'s always great to see Jennifer Tilly show off her...range...as an actress (she is good in that movie \"Bound\").  Richard Dreyfuss is pretty good, but in general everything is just WAY over the top.  The scenes where everybody at the track is focused on Trotter are completely retarded (with the exception of his tantrum in the Jockey Club).  For me, it plays a lot more like TV than a real \"movie.\"  I think this movie gets credit for venturing into some great subject matter, but it falls short at the finish line...  HP
Title: Re: Bailey Profile - Let It Ride
Post by: KidRock on January 24, 2006, 06:58:34 AM
Money Talks, by JJ Cale  Anyway the Wind Blows alb.

\"Boogie Rock purist JJ Cale\'s laid back style is one-half back porch blues and one half stoner soft rock\"
Title: Re: Bailey Profile - Let It Ride
Post by: asfufh on January 24, 2006, 07:51:53 AM
Quotes from Let It Ride (from Amazon.com):


Jay Trotter: May I... buy you a drink?
Mrs. Davis: I don\'t see why not. I\'m on the pill.


Marty: Eight\'s the one, I\'d stake my life on it.
Jay Trotter: They\'ve got a $2 minimum bet.


Mrs. Davis: There\'s a fine line between winning and losing.
Jay Trotter: Yeah. The finish line.


Counter Girl: You could be walking around lucky, and not even know it.


[Discussing Trotter]
Ticket Seller: All kind of balls...
Bodyguard: One of his is crystal.


Vicki: You know what they say, \'Nothing ventured, nothing... ventured.\'


[Watching toteboard go from 40-1 to 8-1]
Looney: Probably some coke deal went nuts again.


Tony Cheesburger: The 4 horse! Nobody bets the 4 horse, Trotter. The 4 horse is a joke. They let little kiddies on the 4 horse to have their picture taken.\"


Jay Trotter: You\'ve got great legs.
Vicki: Thanks. They go from my *** all the way to the floor.


Vicki: She\'s pert. If you like pert.


Looney: I\'m sure glad I didn\'t bet.
Jay Trotter: You didn\'t bet?
Looney: I woulda had a heart attack.


[after Trotter won but Looney didn\'t even bet] Looney: I\'d hate to have to walk around this track with seven hundred dollars cash.
Jay Trotter: Seven hundred and TEN - and you\'ll never have that problem, because the only reason I won is that you didn\'t bet! You are the unluckiest person in the world!
Looney: Am not!
Jay Trotter: Am!
Looney: Am not!
Jay Trotter: Am!
[pulling out his racing form]
Jay Trotter: Who do you like in the second?
Looney: The six horse looks pretty good...
[dramatically crosses out the six horse on his racing form] Jay Trotter: You got a brother?
Looney: In Cleveland.
Jay Trotter: Call him up, ask him who he likes. I figure it\'s in the blood!



Title: Re: Bailey Profile - Let It Ride
Post by: TGJB on January 24, 2006, 10:20:37 AM
HP-- I was introduced to the guy that produced Let It Ride some years ago, and I got him pretty pissed by telling him he had done a disservice to my industry-- making people think it\'s all a cartoon, all about luck.

A couple of good friends of mine did movies with Johanssen, and evidently some of the scenes in LIR had to be shot many times just because Dreyfus couldn\'t keep a straight face when looking at him.

Overall, I agree with your review. Although Robbie Coltrane is great, as always...
Title: Re: Bailey Profile - Let It Ride
Post by: HP on January 24, 2006, 11:12:39 AM
Cartoon is the word.  I kept noticing that Dreyfuss didn\'t tip poor Robbie a nickle, and Coltrane is still supposed to be all wound up about his success...  HP
Title: Re: Bailey Profile - Let It Ride
Post by: johndrj on January 25, 2006, 04:01:25 AM
Thank You for starting my day with a huge smile !

John
Title: Re: Bailey Profile - Let It Ride
Post by: shanahan on January 25, 2006, 05:57:25 AM
don\'t forget these:

\"this is the $50 window...the $2 windows are down there\"


\"even when you know...you never know!\"
Title: Re: Bailey Profile - Let It Ride
Post by: P-Dub on January 25, 2006, 05:30:32 PM
One of my favorites...

Bar patron talking about his method of picking horses: \"First, I clear my head of everything.\"

Voice from across the room: \"That shouldn\'t take long.\"
Title: Re: Bailey Profile - Let It Ride - final
Post by: shanahan on January 25, 2006, 05:42:52 PM
how\'d we leave these two out?

\"what are you gonna do Trotter?\"

\"He\'s gonna piss it all away!\" (lots of cheering)

& lastly...


\"so NOW I get it...it\'s not the gambling you hate - it\'s the losing!\"
Title: Re: Bailey Profile---Q & A
Post by: asfufh on January 27, 2006, 08:58:48 PM
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/horseracing/sfl-baileyqa012606,0,3743852.htmlstory?coll=sfla-sports-horseracing