Graham Motions horse in the feature at Saratoga yesterday the #7 was adding them as per the NYRA website.Is this something that should be viewed as a negative similar to a bar shoe?
Aluminum pads on is an automatic \"toss\' to many horse people I know.Strangely, Angel Penna uses them on many of his runners.
A race at SAR 2 weekends ago, every horse in the race wore alum shoes and the shoe board was illumniated with this info...I don\'t think it\'s a big a deal as years before.
Aluminum shoes and Aluminum Pads are two VERY different things. Pads\"on\" produce very few winners since horses that wear them usually have foot problems.
Aluminum pads mean bad feet.....they are to protect the frogs.
Another advantage to being on track....live.....up close in the paddock.
One can throw out horses wearing \"corrective footwear\" with confidence.
I believe its undeniable: Pad on, bad; pad off, good. Someone out there is keeping records of trainers\' performance first time pad off, second time pad off, pad on, second time pad on, etc.
Think a trainer ever added a pad to a sound horse solely (bad pun) to have public/ other trainers believe the animal was less than sound? Put this move in the larceny/ chicanery column.
I sometimes shamelessly request information from posters on this board and have been surprised at how many times I am able to get it. On Saturday, while once again predicting a smash up race from Voodoo (I\'m still waiting) I asked the question: What percentage of graded stakes races (handicap or otherwise) are won by the lightweighted horse in the race?
I would be surprised if that was a number larger than 2%.
Where can you find this info out for NYRA races online?
NC Tony
NC Tony:
This information is usually given with Changes/Scratches on the NYRA site. The info about Motion\'s runner yesterday was given with the early scratches.
Watch out for our friends at NYRA. A few months ago they announced with the early scratches that a very formful Dutrow runner, Draw Play I think, was to wear aluminum pads. I threw DP out of a multiple race wager based on this information, which was repeated twice during the day.
15 minutes before post, Durkin gets on the PA and announces that the previous announcements were to be disregarded, that DP was not wearing AP(s). Needless to say, DP ran by his field like a freight train going by a hobo. Its all about information.
THIS being my first to the forum and seeing that most of you know a little about horse racing when handicapping aluminum pads its a throw out horse has foot problems in all the years ive betting horses unless he`s being trained by one of the magicians and hes taken money then that will change the equation
What you need to keep in mind when relying on their site is that, based on the richiebee story, NY is still using the \"honor system\" for this information. Thus, concientious & honest trainers like Motion make the info avialable sufficiently in advance for it to make the late changes section on the site. For the rest, a guy with a clipboard goes from trainer to trainer in the paddock & simple asks if there is anything to report, & that info is then relayed to Durkin & is what is announced & appears on the Sar video feed. Maybe that\'s why I read recently that Dahlman has taken to describing his shoe info as \"proprietary.\" If you\'re looking for a fairly comprehensive primer on the subject, go to kentucky.com, & do an archive search for a 5/7/05 article entitled \"How To Help A Hoove\" by Jim Warren.
richiebee: The Pomeroy race was not one I downloaded Sat, but mid-morning I got what I thought was a mildly amusing call from sar from the nationwide sponsor of a automobile sales promotion which includes free doughnuts. He thought it important that I know that the five large doughnuts Biacone ate set a new No. Am. record,& that Patrick told him that the King\'s Bishop was the real goal & that he therefore didn\'t have his charge fully cranked up, which now seems like it might be the reason that only one & not two longstanding records was broken on Sat.
Can anybody post a picture of what the aluminum pads look like...I\'ve searched all over the net with zero success!
Thanks
I used to look at feet when I played , looking for turf or mud , and I know these guys have been doing the shoe thing for MANY years.
I\'m no expert at shoes, but I am quite sure there must be many subtleties that the boyz are aware of, and use to great advantage. There are precious few things that are not out in the open , and the shoe variations are one of them.
Maybe. Maybe not. In the mid-80s there was a scientific study where diffferent bettors were given different amounts of handicapping information, & the conclusion was that although the players with more info felt significantly more confident than those with less info, there was no appreciable difference in results. There is a lot more info available since that study was conducted almost 20 yrs ago, yet the pct of winning favorites & the pct of winners among the 3 horses with the lowest odds hasn\'t changed, & it is the same in countries with a lot less, as well as those with a lot more, info than we have here.
Photos of alum & other pads, which as I understand it are inserted between the shoe & the hoof, appear in the newspaper article I referenced, which I assume means that the photos would also be in the online version. The only other possibility I can think of is that some tracks, like Kee, have a board with all of the actual shoes horses wear in races.
No the online article did not include photos, only text in the archives of the story!
Here are some photo\'s of pads, bar shoes:
http://www.farrierservices.net/pads.htm
http://www.farrierservices.net/bar_shoes.htm