well, OK...spent 3 hrs to handicap 4 races...$36 pik 4 wins $454...I\'ll take it. TG thoroquick simple math along with thoropattern = 2 hrs of anxiety, but a healthy profit...nice #, and thanks to the staff for great info. I also do TM+, and while some were close...the PD ride made it for me (I threw the 1 in as saver_...if the 7 bbeats pat Day I have 5 tix on pik 4...but I think I finally figured it JB...finally.