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Title: Oaks/Derby
Post by: on May 06, 2005, 02:29:07 PM
Anyone see any Oaks/K Derby double prices?
Title: Re: Oaks/Derby
Post by: Michael D. on May 06, 2005, 02:49:22 PM
bailey is king ..... took prado right to the cleaners.
Title: Re: Oaks/Derby
Post by: jimbo66 on May 06, 2005, 02:51:26 PM
Good for Dutrow.  Did you see the arrogant bast___ in the interview on TV.  

Now he can start his suspension..
Title: Re: Oaks/Derby
Post by: miff on May 06, 2005, 02:53:51 PM
I st horse all day that wired.

Title: Re: Oaks/Derby
Post by: Bally Ache on May 06, 2005, 02:58:07 PM
I had the 43-1 shot with Summerly & the chalk in the tri.  Summerly performs, the shot clunks up for 3rd like I thought she would and the 3-5 shot runs out.

Isn\'t horseracing fun.

Title: Re: Oaks/Derby
Post by: Michael D. on May 06, 2005, 02:58:58 PM
1:50.3 ...... the race collapsed, just no fillies there to pick up the pieces. a sad year for three year old fillies. on to tomorrow - a great day of racing.

Title: Re: Oaks/Derby
Post by: on May 06, 2005, 03:01:50 PM
I haven\'t looked at any final times all day, but I\'d bet this race wasn\'t any faster than Summerly has been running all spring. I think that was a pretty dreadful performance by Sis City and Runway Model.

Glad I didn\'t bet any doubles because I wouldn\'t have had this one.
Title: Re: Oaks/Derby
Post by: kev on May 06, 2005, 03:21:35 PM
Class which horses do you need for the derby, I can get the prices for ya. I\'m alive in it, there\'s some nice pay-off\'s.
Title: Re: Oaks/Derby
Post by: Michael D. on May 06, 2005, 03:23:25 PM
what\'s NC?
Title: Re: Oaks/Derby
Post by: jimbo66 on May 06, 2005, 03:24:24 PM
Kev,

I don\'t know if that offer is open to me, but I would love to know the prices on Bandini, Noble Causeway and Sun King.

Thanks,

Jim
Title: Re: Oaks/Derby
Post by: Tim25 on May 06, 2005, 03:31:57 PM
I had her with NC, HL, HF and AA. Any chance at getting the payoffs.

Thanks
Tim

Title: Re: Oaks/Derby
Post by: kev on May 06, 2005, 03:33:16 PM
Sure.
BAND = $97.00
NOBLE = $142.00
SUN = $177.00
Title: Re: Oaks/Derby
Post by: mbeychok on May 06, 2005, 03:33:21 PM
High Limit 253
AA  66
Sun King 177

those are the three I\'m alive to with summerly.
Title: Re: Oaks/Derby
Post by: kev on May 06, 2005, 03:34:43 PM
HIGH FLY = $131.00
Title: Re: Oaks/Derby
Post by: Tim25 on May 06, 2005, 03:36:18 PM
Ok now I just need the payout with HY
Title: Re: Oaks/Derby - Will Pays
Post by: jimbo66 on May 06, 2005, 03:37:28 PM
Found them.

Sort it Out        1,118
Andromeda\'s Hero   662
Sun King           177
Noble Causeway     142
Coin Silver        485
High Limit         253
Flower Alley       520
Greater Good       605
Greeleys Galaxy    285
Giacomo            595
High Fly           131
Afleet Alex        66
Spanish Chestnut  1462
Wilko              201
Bandini            97
Bellamy Road       70
Don\'t Get Mad      538
Closing Argument  1044
Going Wild        1229
Buzzard\'s Bay      763
Title: Re: Oaks/Derby
Post by: Tim25 on May 06, 2005, 03:37:38 PM
Thanks. I can\'t believe some of those payouts. She was the second choice.
Title: Re: Oaks/Derby
Post by: Michael D. on May 06, 2005, 03:42:53 PM
the payouts don\'t make sense. with 9-2 on summerly, that\'s over 30-1 on NC in the derby. i guess a lot of people who liked SC in the oaks didn\'t take the 3/5 and loaded up on her in the doubles.

error ....... 13-1. still more than the current 11-1.



Post Edited (05-06-05 19:07)
Title: Re: Oaks/Derby
Post by: jimbo66 on May 06, 2005, 03:48:31 PM
Michael,

there was a lot of \"arbitrage\" in the Oaks/Derby doubles.

With most of the horses, Afleet Alex was the slight favorite.  However, the Sis City - Bellamy Road double was $11.00, with Afleet Alex $19.00 and Bandini $30.00.

There was 1.6 million dollars in the pool.  I would post the link to the details if I could, but I am getting the info from my Youbet account.

But your math is way off on Noble Causway, Michael.  $11.00 horse in the first leg and a $142 will pay is about 12 to 1 on the parlay price, not 30-1.

Noble Causeway was $48 with Sis City, which was actually made him longer, in the 15-1 range.
Title: Re: Oaks/Derby
Post by: NoCarolinaTony on May 06, 2005, 03:48:49 PM
Valenzuela didn\'t keep Runway Model in her element . Had her way to close to the pace and she quit before the stretch. I had Summerly/RM in the exacta.

Not so sure Bailey took Prado to cleaners. Sis City just didn\'t run.(not that I bet on her). Cute move by Bailey. Prado said he could tell she didn\'t have \"it\" as soon as the gates were opened.

NC Tony
Title: Re: Oaks/Derby
Post by: Michael D. on May 06, 2005, 04:00:41 PM
tony,
yea, you could be right. prado got checked back around the first turn, but the bigger factor was probably the BS going on with dutrow. the guy should be in jail.

jim,
i have looked at too many #\'s today. only a small break in the price.
Title: Re: Oaks/Derby
Post by: Chuckles_the_Clown2 on May 06, 2005, 04:29:36 PM
Agreed Michael the Dutrow filly may have run clean.

I know you hit that winner. You talked her up months back.
Title: Re: Oaks/Derby
Post by: on May 06, 2005, 04:46:53 PM
Kev,

I didn\'t play any doubles because I couldn\'t get any prices before the race. I was going to make small doubles with Bandini, High Fly and Greely\'s Galaxy. I wouldn\'t have had the winner of the Oaks though. So I was fortunate I didn\'t play. Thanks though.



Post Edited (05-06-05 19:49)
Title: Re: Oaks/Derby
Post by: Michael D. on May 06, 2005, 04:49:55 PM
i blew it ctc. summerly and high fly were my top three year olds back in february. i took the 32-1 on HF, but passed on the 17-1 on summerly. then after the kee race, i lost some faith in summerly. i had her today, but not a big score. i don\'t think she\'s that good anyway. the older fillies and mares will give her trouble in the fall.