The last time the top three finishers ran 1-2-3 around the track before Saturday was 1915? Is this true? I am quite convinced that WE and PC were at a HUGE advantage in this years race given the speed favoring strip and the moderate pace. I am making no guarantees in the Preakness, as those tight turns at Pimlico can produce some strange outcomes, but I will be amazed if both WE and PC don\'t back up big time in the next few months. I will be even more amazed if those two horses don\'t get wiped out when they face the big boys later in the year....
Really sad to hear the Slew news. The horse was before my time, but looking at some of the films, he really looked like one of the great ones of all time.
Slew was one of a kind.I remember going out to the Big A just to watch him race in his prelim allowance races and also for the Marlboro Cup in 78\'I also saw has farewell ,which was I believe the Stuyvesent @ Aqueduct.Cordero took over the mount after beating Slew @ The Meadowlands on Dr.Patches.I remember getting 2-1 on him in the Marlboro (actually $6.20) Affirmed went off at 8/5 that day ,I couldn\'t believe it ,that was the first time \"I emptied out on a horse\" I had all of $42 on me and wagered evey dollar on Slew,he led every step of the way and won easily by 4 in a hand ride .Cordero admitted that the best race that slew ever ran was in The J.C. Gold Cup when he was beaten by Exceller, in that race Slew had the lead Exceller came and got him ,was in front by about a half at the 1/16 pole ,then Slew kicked in again charging up the railand just missed.My friends I used to root for him to beat the track record ,because we wanted him to be recognized as a truly great horse ,in those days everybody was talking about Secretariat and those impressive track records he held ,we wanted the same for Slew.Slew remains the only Triple Crown winner to have defeated another Triple Crown winner .
Hello Teekay,
Thank you for your post and for sharing those wonderful stories with us. I love hearing about Slew from the perspective of someone who got to see him race in person. Its interesting that you used to root for him not only to win but to beat the track record. It would have been something to see him in the JCGC that year, that race alone demonstrates the heart that he had.
Thank you again!
dear PGGM,I used to feel the same way with Forego ,who won races against top class comp while carring enormous amounts of weight ,Spectacular Bid ,was another who I thought was great .For some reason I didn\'t respect Affirmed as much ,I think that if Alydar could have changed leads he would have beaten Affirmed .I really don\'t see that cailber horse in recent times ,I thought Easy goer came close and I thought that your namesake Point given was another. Horses may be running faster these days but they don\'t have the same durability ,for instance if you ever get to see the PP\'s of older horses like Bold Forbes ect.. notice how many races they ran prior to thier Derby bid .BF ran (I do this off off memory ) at least a dozen times in Puerto Rico before going to Laz Barrera ,he then ran through a bunch of preps leading up to the derby .Your typical derby runer ran at least 15 to 20 times and had faced his main adversaries several times .I think Affirmed and Alydar raced each against each other 6 or 7 times before thier Derby. I enjoyed the track from a fans standpoint much more back then .thanks for your response.
Ah you mentioned my boy, Forego. He will
always be my all time favorite. When
he beat Honest Pleasure in the slop at BEL,
I thought my POP was going to pop a vain he was screaming for him so loudly.
The days of handicap horses running with 135 lbs or more are over because trainers whine
and complaian. For me, they are the most exiting races to watch because the best horses usually have to overcome alot to win.
Nunzio
I have had the good fortune to attend
many a great sporting event in my life;
Triple Crown, Indy 500, World Series, etc.
The 2 greatest things in sports I have
ever seen both occurred in 1978. The
Affirmed-Alydar epic culminating in
that year\'s Belmont still gives me chills
when I see the tape.
A close second is the Gold Cup, but first,
some backgound. 2 other great horses were
supposed to run, but were injured-Forego
and Alydar-can you imagine the possiblities?
I would love to see this race again!
When \'Slew easily beat Affirmed in the Marlboro, Laz Barrera decided to enter a
rabbit (Life\'s Hope) to soften him up, but
Affirmeds\' saddle slipped, and you ended
up with a 22.3, 45.2, 109.1 pace that would
kill most, but Slew survived, showed his heart, and actually passed Exceller just
after the wire....unforgettable!
He was something ,I first seen him in one of the Metropolitan Hdcp\'s back when the handicap triple crown meant something .I remember not being too impressed at first but then from nowhere this bron monstrosity came roaring down the lane to get up .I knew that I had witnessed something special .Although i never saw ,they told me that Kelso was another who carried tons of weight .
An amazing race indeed .If i remember correctly wasn\'t it raced on an off track? Taking nothing away from the winner , Exceller, who absolutely relished the off-going .He loved the turf and the distance as well.
Track was drying out; 109.1 for the first half, 118.1 for the last half of the race.
Thanks fasteddie
I was at Belmont Park that day. I was also at the track for the Marlboro Cup, in September, the preceding month. The Slew ran 1:45:80 (official time of race was measured in 1/5s back then) beating Affirmed in the Marlboro Cup. He was best that day. Frankly, I don\'t recollect him well enough to know whether he could be characterized as a need the lead type but he certainly possessed superior speed and could carry that speed great distances. He wired the field in the Marlboro Cup with Affirmed doggedly tailing him about 3 to 4 lengths behind almost the entire way. Horses don\'t often run 9 furlongs in less than 1:46, much less 1:46 and change, at least not on the dirt. It was an dynamic performance.
Paddock, post parade and warm-up inspections before a race can often provide clues to the savvy handicapper as to a horse\'s condition and likely performance in the upcoming race. Upon observing Slew for the first time before a race, one might relegate him to also-ran (just visual observation not a gleaning of his race record). He sweated profusely, teems of kidney sweat running down his legs and while not outright rank, he was always hard to handle in the post parade--always \"on the muscle\".
And indeed Jockey Club Gold Cup day, he looked no different, jumping around in the paddock and post parade with foamy sweat shielding his flank and glistening on his neck. Laz Barrera did run a rabbit in the race, a horse by the name of Life\'s Hope. Life\'s Hope was a pretty good horse, a minor stakes winner with about +200k of lifetime earnings. But more importantly, he was a speed horse and he was entered to engage the Slew setting the race up for Affirmed, a tractable sort. Exceller was deep, deep closer with no speed whatsoever. Here we were with what was generally conceded the best 3yo, 4yo and 5yo in the land, meeting in a Grade 1 race at the classic 12 furlong distance. As I recall 6 horses were entered in all. I believe Darby Creek Road was in there and so was Great Contractor to round out the field.
Off they go and lo and behold instead of Life\'s Hope going out with Slew, Affirmed was chasing him a length or two back in incredibly fast fractions (as fasteddie notes). What was going on? Even the great Cordero aboard Slew couldn\'t throttle the Slew\'s speed and Affirmed was stubbornly pursuing him. Forget Life\'s Hope, he about 6 to 8 lengths back after 5 furlongs and faltering. Exceller didn\'t even register on the periphery. You had turn your head a good deal to the right to pick him up. At the 3/4 and 5/8s pole, he was some 25 lengths in arrears.
Meanwhile, my group, and I surmise quite a few others, was questioning the kamikaze-like battle plan Affirmed was pursuing. Kamikaze-like it was, for at about the 3/8 pole, one could see Affirmed tiring visibly and on the radar screen one could see a blip, Exceller, steadily narrowing the gap and coming into the full picture. Obviously Slew was fatigued and shortening strides and Exceller with Shoemaker aboard was making up vast quantities of ground. Finally at about the 3/16s pole Exceller surged to the lead and may have gotten about a length in front before Slew recognized a competitor.(I was sitting at the extreme end of the grandstand and for those who know Belmont, that\'s akin to the bleachers and more so at a ballpark. Difficult to see and recall exactly where in the stretch Slew was passed and how soon it took for him to react.) But once Slew saw Exceller he came again shortening the gap between them all the way to the wire. He was beaten either a head or a neck.
By the way as I recall, it was overcast that day or at the very least, it turned overcast throughout the course of the race day. Sometime after the 7th race, before the feature, it started to drizzle, perceptibly. The drizzle increased in intensity as the minutes to race 8 ticked down. I do believe it was raining while the race was run. But the track itself was in good condition, still labeled as fast. These days the track might have been denoted as wet-fast.
Slew certainly gained stature in some people\'s eyes that day. True he had won the triple crown the prior year but Secretariat accomplished that feat just 5 years earlier, breaking the 25-year triple crown draught, and also won champion turf honors and horse of the year honors in addition to being named top 3yo. Also in the \'70s racing secretaries were still assigning big imposts to older, handicap horses. And in New York in the mid-70s the star handicap horse was Forego, a champion sprinter and handicap horse, who raced out of the money (4th I think) in Secretariat\'s derby. Forego routinely toted 130 or more, giving 10 to 20 pounds to rivals, and beat them. \"...coming like a freight train....\"
The point is that while Slew\'s continued undefeated status throughout the triple crown placed him in elite company, his subsequent loss to J O Tobin in the Swaps at Hol in July pierced the veil of invincibility and lowered his stature to that of a mere mortal equine, albeit a very good one at that. Furthermore, he had physical problems and didn\'t race very frequently thereafter. In the inaugural (I think it was) Meadowlands Cup in September or was it late August (3yo or 4yo, I\'m not sure) he was beaten by Dr. Patches a very good sprinter stretching out for John Nerud (the trainer of Dr. Fager). In the Marlboro Cup, Slew beat a top notch 3yo (and Affirmed was a top notch 3yo and older horse) but he won on the front end (but as a noted superior speed horse was suppose to) and this I don\'t recollect but Affirmed may have been weighted proportionately higher scale-wise (remember 3yo vs. 4yo--The Marlboro Cup was a handicap). As the saying goes Slew had it his own way in the Marboro Cup. In the Jockey Club Gold Cup he wouldn\'t rate and put away anything that ran or try to run with him. And despite the freakishly fast first 6 furlongs, this leg-weary head- strong, on the muscle runner, once collared, almost came back to beat Exceller, the beneficiary of a well-timed ride and suicidal pace.
Yes, Slew gained respect that day, losing.
I don\'t know if it\'s the best race I ever saw but it\'s ranks right up there with the \'78 Belmont, \'82 Gotham, \'88 BC Distaff, \'89 BC Classic, \'98 Belmont and perhaps a few more I can\'t remember at this moment.
If you want to read more about the \'78 Jockey Club and horse racing in general, pick up Steve Crist\'s book, The Horse Traders--I think that\'s the title but obviously he or the Drf can tell you the exact title.
I had forgotten that \"Shoe\" rode Exceller ,I believe Pincay rode Affirmed .Thanks for you response .
Steve Cauthen rode Affirmed then.
TGAB should do more of this type of thing.
Cauthen rode in the Triple Crown .but I\'m almost sure he left for Europe after that ,in fact I\'m almost positive that when Affirmed was taken down in the Travers ,Laffit was in the saddle
Cauthen was on suspension when Pincay cut me off in the Travers. Cauthen went to Europe later, after his terrible slump. He rode Affirmed in the race TGAB was describing.
I stand corrected .Why couldn\'t you learn to change leads ,you wouldn\'t have needed the stewards to put you up.Well at least you out performed that Harbor View scrap heap in the shed row.
Suspension or injured.
I ran a better figure in all three Triple Crown races. As all thinking people agree, that is the real Triple Crown.
Good point about changing leads.
Too bad you can\'t collect the winner\'s share on speed figures .Jorge should have pumped you from the gate to get the rail.
Yeah ,I remember Cauthen going over the rail and breaking his arm in a turf race i think he was injured for the Travers
Alydar,
I wish they paid at the windows based on figures, my POP would have at least cashed
his wins bet each time. He doubled his bet each successive time & got beat again & again.
I took a wack with War Emblem at
20-1, if Perfect Drift would have
gotten 2nd, I\'d just be getting back
from the Bahamas about now! I just read that WE has chips in both ankles, hard to beleive they haven\'t moved into a spot to make him go
lame. Booklet will make WE either rate
a little or cause him to run eyeball to eyeball for a while. Medaglia d\'Ora
ran credibly but the switch to Bailey
will ruin the price. They might leave
HH alone but a really good trainer
I know told me he saw HH train in FLA
and he was a push button horse who did everything easy & when he was actually
asked down the lane in his final prep at CD,
he felt the horse was spent. He said if he were his horse, he\'d hardly see the track before the Preakness. HH may have very well
been squeezed dry. USS Tinossa has been
lighting up the worktab in KY, he will need to improve but he will be a price.
Good Luck.
Nunzio
My trainer believed--mistakenly--that I hated to run on the rail.
Improve?? I think he can win the race by running back to his previous top (1.5). Don\'t see WE or PC pairing tops, they should both regress. If MDoro pairs, USST can still beat him with his best effort. USST also runs further back in the pack, pace will be an issue this time, unlike the KY derby.
What kind of figure do you suppose Slew would have received for that 1:45.80 jog around the track? Considering horses these days get in the 0 to -1 range when going 1.47 and change
.......While on the subject, what does Secretariat get for his Belmont? I think Point Given received a -2 last year, for running 2.26 and change over a track that moved him up about a second or so. How many lengths would Secretariat have beaten PG by?
Maybe 15 or 20? 30? 35? I will be kind to PG and guess 20.
I\'m not so sure. Secretariat was awesome but something like 3 or 4 track records fell that day and his main competition more of less broke down in the race. (I think there was a post about this after Commendable won the Belmont) PG ran a helluva race, actually looked a lot like Secretariats and it sure would be something to have seen them lock up and that day. Even by your math, Secretariat wins by 15 and that ignores all the improvements in the breed, and everything else which has lead to faster horses in the last 30 years. Assuming equal groundloss etc. I\'d give it to Secretariat by three give or take a length.