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Title: Finally!
Post by: derby1592 on February 10, 2005, 06:21:13 PM
Major kudos to SA for actually catching one of the ti-trainers (Mullins) and publically releasing his name and the horse that tested positive (for a Milkshake) and even enforcing a penalty (what a concept).

Let\'s hope other tracks follow SA\'s lead and that the tide is finally beginning to turn and that this is just a start on the road to cleaning up the sport.

http://drf.com/news/article/62640.html

Chris
Title: Re: Finally!
Post by: razzle on February 10, 2005, 06:39:58 PM
Derby, thanks for the post and the prompt to read this.  Finally is right!!  One down and ___ to go...  Congratulations to TOC for taking the action.  raz
Title: Re: Finally!
Post by: Chuckles_the_Clown2 on February 10, 2005, 06:53:57 PM
Mullins is funny isn\'t he?

\"They been very fair, we are just trying to get to the bottom of this\".....\"he was barely over\"

Jeff, its from snaking a tube down your horses nose. He just wont lap up the goo.
Title: Re: Finally!
Post by: Saddlecloth on February 10, 2005, 09:01:22 PM
Chuckles_the_Clown2 wrote:

> Mullins is funny isn\'t he?
>
> \"They been very fair, we are just trying to get to the bottom
> of this\".....\"he was barely over\"
>
> Jeff, its from snaking a tube down your horses nose. He just
> wont lap up the goo.

agree completely, that line of \"he was barely over\" is a joke.  I was barely cheating is what he is saying.  and the penalty does not fit the crime, its way to light.  No stalls for the rest of the meet would be nice, but hey we cant upset the owenrs who are winning with the guy can we.
Title: Re: Finally!
Post by: miff on February 11, 2005, 06:52:33 AM
Mullins is a skunk and has finally been caught. Shakes are very performance enhancing.I did not the figs yet but every horse that ran back from the former Gregory \"Shakes\" Martin barn have performed poorly in relation to their prior races.

Title: Re: Finally!
Post by: TGJB on February 11, 2005, 09:58:53 AM
It says a lot about the state of the game that we are a lot more surprised that they actually did something about drugs than who it turned out to be that got caught.

Meanwhile-- I mentioned a while back that my friend Charlie Harris wrote the op-ed piece in Blood-Horse a few years ago that got milkshakes banned in Kentucky. Well, it turns out that while they made it illegal, they never instituted a test for it. ???????

Listen, I\'m getting a headache trying to keep track of what the various jurisdictions are doing, preparing to do, not doing, not releasing publicly etc. Anybody want to do a public service and put together a table?

Title: Re: Finally!
Post by: Bull on February 11, 2005, 10:02:45 AM
If anyone frequents the Ragozin board (the old one more than the new one), you will notice my rare posts involve juice and always mention Jeff Mullins. I am doing backflips (sort of) I am so happy right now.

I had a conversation with a fellow racegoer who told me he knows a prominent owner that has dealt with Mullins (won\'t mention names) who told him that Jeff Mullins is one of the best trainers of all time. He gets \"everything\" out of a horse. Sometimes it\'s just scary how clueless some important people can be. The second possibility is that they are just pathological liars. Either way, we as bettors and horsemen who play by the rules get shafted. It ends right now. Keep the heat on guys. This is just a baby step in terms of distance, but it is still a major one that is necessary.

If I am \"barely over\" the legal BAC level while driving, does that mean I do not get arrested or what I am doing is any less illegal?

Wake up Jeff, you cheater, you got caught. Deal with it and try to train racehorses on your own without the needle.

-Bull
Title: Re: Finally!
Post by: Silver Charm on February 11, 2005, 10:59:54 AM
If they were to rank the various juridictions on who has the strictest drug rules or most compliant Racing Circuits. Kentucky most assuredly is well below all other circuits even El Commandante.

There will come a day when an aspiring reporter will bring up the Drug Issue during the Post Derby Press Conference. At that point there will finally be something that Kentucky will ban.

The Media
Title: Re: Finally!
Post by: NoCarolinaTony on February 11, 2005, 11:05:28 AM
SC,

LOL............

NC Tony
Title: Re: Finally!
Post by: kev on February 11, 2005, 12:05:37 PM
I think the main thing is to see how his horse\'s will run at SA in the next month.
Title: Re: Finally!
Post by: asfufh on February 11, 2005, 12:11:50 PM
JB, Does the stat (win %,etc.) for a trainer @the current track include only the current meet?
For instance, Mullins shows a 25% win rate at SA in yesterdays TG\'s...is that only for this meet (where SA has been testing each and every runner for milkshakes). If not, how about adding a stat that computes trainer results at a specific track starting when the track instituted milkshake testing? Should prove to be a very interesting stat and potentially very important to TG users in their hamdicapping. Asfufh
Title: Re: Finally!
Post by: TGJB on February 11, 2005, 12:16:02 PM
The stat is for all the trainers starts at that track, not just recently. I can\'t even keep track of what they claim they are doing as far as testing at various tracks, let alone what they actually are doing, and whether they are announcing positives, and whether if they are testing the rules have any teeth that would stop anybody.

I will be watching to see what happens at Aqu starting Wednesday. Miff, we expect a report.

Title: Re: Finally!
Post by: miff on February 11, 2005, 12:47:02 PM
JB,

Re Aqueduct, I have left out of all my pick 3,4 and 6\'s all horses previously trained by Greg(shakes) Martin. None of them have beaten me so far or ran nearly as fast as in their prior starts when \"shakes\"trained them. I am fairly certain your figs will show a regression for each of the ones who have run back,1st time \"shakes off\"

Title: Re: Finally!
Post by: TGJB on February 11, 2005, 12:51:03 PM
There are some other trainers whose results should be interesting...

Title: Re: Finally!
Post by: Catalin on February 11, 2005, 01:36:21 PM
Take a look at the IEAH website.  It seems they have \"sold or retired\" a significant # of horses (for a stable of their size) since Martin got busted.


http://www.ieah.com/stable_roster.html

Title: Re: Finally!
Post by: slakboy on February 11, 2005, 07:41:49 PM
Okay, wiseguys.

Who are the bet-againsts starting Wednesday at AQU. Dutrow, Contessa, Levine? Any others?
Title: Re: Finally!
Post by: Boscar Obarra on February 11, 2005, 11:37:55 PM
 Oscar B. my distant 4th cousin was a Prince by comparison to these guys. He\'d just give the stews a dirty look if anyone questioned his running back in 2 days and 10 length move ups.  The new breed just don\'t have that kind of class.