WALL STREET WALLY just won the finale at Santa Anita by going very wide all and drawing away smartly at Santa Anita. The gelding\'s owner is listed as G Racing and Van Burger.
Is that GRAPH RACING and our boy Jerry Brown? If so, then congratulations!
JohnTChance
Nope. We will be entering Shezsospiritual in the stake on Friday out there, may or may not run.
Comments on Allday/Paulson?
My only comments about Allday and Paulsen are that I love them dearly.
But seriously folks, the shame of it is reading all the praise heaped upon GHOSTZAPPER and SMARTY JONES as they duel for Horse of the Year. They\'re both so obviously Giambi-ized, it\'s sad.
The grapevine says that Dr. Harthill has been complaining about Allday in Kentucky! How hilarious is THAT! We\'re not talking Indian Charlie here!
JohnTChance
So that\'s why Allday was at Fairgrounds last Friday with Romans...3 starters, 2 wins and a 2nd (including a stakes race and a $20 horse)!
John-- just for the record, when I raised the issue I was told Bill Baker was the vet for SJ. He was our vet for VG and the other Prestonwood horses, and there is no way he would do something illegal.
OK, I have to ask...how in the world does the horseplayer know when Allday is involved?
First of all, let me just say that I don\'t know anything. I can\'t do a sentence and this is just my very personal opinion only.
Jerry, I believe you.
But you said in your Derby day analysis that SMARTY JONES had \"the best ThoroGraph figures of any horse who ever entered the starting gate for the Kentucky Derby\" and you noted the colt\'s sire profile skewed to sprints. Before racing at two, we\'ve been told the colt was in bad shape and near death. Was he given strong therapeutic injections to combat his condition of ill health that also had a sideline steroid-like effect of moving him up? Affecting his growth? Or did SMARTY run a 0 in November of his 2 years old season [and then pair it up six weeks later!] as a result of his God-given talent alone? What provoked that incredible -3.75 ThoroGraph he ran at Oaklawn? Mother Nature alone?
Was Dr. Baker there at Philadelphia Park where SMARTY trained in October 2003 before the first 0? Was he there at Philly Park in January for the second 0? Was he there at Oaklawn for the -3.75?
Noting that the BC Classic was once won with a 4 ThoroGraph [!] and noting also your fascinating articles on racehorses getting faster, I believe without any doubts that SMARTY was aided by something other than Mother Nature alone. As always, I wish I had the video proof. But I dont.
Lastly, some trainers have more than one vet. For years Shug had one guy at Belmont [where he was lackluster] and another vet at Saratoga [where his barn would curiously wake up].
Sometimes a guy like Allday ISN\'T THE EVERDAY attending vet. But he\'s asked to come in and [as my friend likes to say] \"change the oil.\" The idea being that maybe John Servis had more than one guy treat his horse from before the colt\'s debut till his last race.
Hope you don\'t mind a new guy adding his voice, but for somepeople I don\'t think any explination will be good enough. As has been pointed out before human being have gotten faster over time (faster 100M, under 4:00 miles). So what must be causing this? According to too many people it must be drugs. Not evolution, training, nutrition or just people with better genetics. At the same time not all people are faster (walk down the street and tell me how many 4:00 milers you see) but a small superior group of individuals can. Why can this not be in horse racing? Why can\'t Ghostzapper and Smarty Jones simply be faster than the rest of the population. When will it be okay for a horse to be extremely fast. I mean Smarty Jones was being treated for a broken skull...do you really think they were druging him to make faster?
I\'ve seen Smarty abused in many posts and never commented. Smarty was the real deal. If you\'d seen him in his first race at Oaklawn,I was born 3 miles from there, these attacks would not occur. He spotted Two Down Automatic 5 from the gate and then simply ran him down. Has anyone noticed what happened to a horse that Smarty ran down? He took their heart!!!! Trust the numbers and you\'ll make money.
As I have posted previously, there was an article in THOROUGHBRED TIMES recently about Scott Lake and his use of anobolic steroids on his horses. Does anyone know what the rules and regulations are on administering steroids?
This list is off the website of the New York State Racing Commission.
NOTICE NUMBER 10
There are more drugs for 72 hours out. This is just for 48
4043.2. Restricted use of drugs, medication and other substances.
(d) The following substances are permitted to be administered by any means until 48 hours before the start of a racing program:
(1) aminophylline or theophylline;
(2) arsenic solution (e.g., Fowlers Solution);
(3) aspirin or sodium thiosalicylate;
(4) chymotrypsin (e.g., Kymar);
(5) diuretics (e.g., furosemide [Lasix], except as otherwise provided pursuant to subdivision of this section, thiazide derivatives [e.g., Diuril], trichlormethiazide and dexamethazone [e.g., Naquazone bolets]);
(6) epinephrine (adrena-line);
(7) selenium/vitamin E (e.g., E-Se);
(8) griseofulvin (e.g., Fulvicin);
(9) guaiacol derivatives (e.g., Guaifenesin, Ripercol-L);
(10) hormones and steroids (e.g., testosterone, progesterone, estrogens, chorionic gonadatropin, glucocorticoids [e.g., Prednisolone, Depomedrol], and anabolic steroids [e.g., Equipoise]), except in conjunction with joint aspiration as restricted in subdivision (f) of this section;
(11) iodine injection (e.g., Hypodermin, Harvey\'s Injectible Blister);
(12) methenamine (e.g., Urotropin);
(13) the following nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAID\'s): Phenylbutazone (e.g., Butazolidin), Flunixin (e.g., Banamine), meclofenamic acid (Arquel), naproxen (e.g., Naprosyn, Equiproxen);
(14) orgotein (e.g., Palosein);
(15) hydroxychloroquine sulfate (e.g., Rheaform);
(16) sarapin;
(17) sulfonamide drugs (e.g., Sulfa); and
(18) biologics (e.g., bacterins, antitoxins except tetanus antitoxin). They may not be administered within 48 hours of the start of a racing program. In this regard, substances ingested by a horse shall be deemed administered at the time of eating and drinking. It shall be part of the trainer\'s responsibility to prevent such ingestion within such 48 hours.
Thanks, Aunstables
Apropos are \"horses faster today\", I guess the question to ask now is: were these steroids in use in the 70\'s,when Secretariat, Slew, Affirmed and the Bid were tearing it up.
\'The Coup\' by Ken Payne is an autobiography about a steroid trainer in the seventies. Great pageturning read.
Please don\'t make stuff up about people.
John,
I was as big a Smarty Jones fan as existed. I even got over him losing the Triple Crown, because I eventually made his losing race a big, big effort. He\'s my second favorite horse of all time, but its not his big figure races that bother me, its the new horse in Servis\'s barn picking right up. Its too Frankelesque.
JohnTChance wrote the following:
> First of all, let me just say that I don\'t know anything. I
> can\'t do a sentence and this is just my very personal opinion
> only.
>
> Jerry, I believe you.
>
> But you said in your Derby day analysis that SMARTY JONES had
> \"the best ThoroGraph figures of any horse who ever entered the
> starting gate for the Kentucky Derby\" and you noted the colt\'s
> sire profile skewed to sprints. Before racing at two, we\'ve
> been told the colt was in bad shape and near death. Was he
> given strong therapeutic injections to combat his condition of
> ill health that also had a sideline steroid-like effect of
> moving him up? Affecting his growth? Or did SMARTY run a 0 in
> November of his 2 years old season [and then pair it up six
> weeks later!] as a result of his God-given talent alone? What
> provoked that incredible -3.75 ThoroGraph he ran at Oaklawn?
> Mother Nature alone?
>
> Was Dr. Baker there at Philadelphia Park where SMARTY trained
> in October 2003 before the first 0? Was he there at Philly Park
> in January for the second 0? Was he there at Oaklawn for the
> -3.75?
>
> Noting that the BC Classic was once won with a 4 ThoroGraph [!]
> and noting also your fascinating articles on racehorses getting
> faster, I believe without any doubts that SMARTY was aided by
> something other than Mother Nature alone. As always, I wish I
> had the video proof. But I dont.
>
> Lastly, some trainers have more than one vet. For years Shug
> had one guy at Belmont [where he was lackluster] and another
> vet at Saratoga [where his barn would curiously wake up].
>
> Sometimes a guy like Allday ISN\'T THE EVERDAY attending vet.
> But he\'s asked to come in and [as my friend likes to say]
> \"change the oil.\" The idea being that maybe John Servis had
> more than one guy treat his horse from before the colt\'s debut
> till his last race.
>
>