Check out the NYRA press release/X statement re-typed below concerning the Scratch at the gate in the finale.
Who alerted the stewards?
How was that enough to make them decide to make a scratch?
What was the conversation between the person that alerted them and the stewards?
Who is persuasive enough to make them decide in that small window of time to deem the horse a Purse Money only?
Was it the CAW\'s?
Why did you not announce the reason why at the time of the announcement?
Why didn\'t anyone say anything all day? Was it because \"well it didn\'t matter\" until someone was alive to the finale?
Was it a unanimous decision?
What a complete and total joke. Racing is deemed dead by more people I know lately than I can count. I try to continue to be positive but this is pretty awful. The stewards at NYRA are completely incompetent. They should all be fired immediately and the game again needs to reinvent itself and start over. Their summer performances at Sar speak for themselves as part of this statement that they should be gone.
A screenshot shows at 38 mtp of race 1 during Talking Horses, the #13 horse in the finale is shown on the Screen as a scratch as they discuss the race BUT Andy and Sara have the horse included in their selections. Anyone that has ever watched the show knows AS would light up the crew for having his selections wrong if they were scratched. No one relied upon that information for their wager. But. . . if one can use leverage for profit, you know they will.
SIDE BAR: I was alive to 4 and 13, finishing 3rd and 2nd respectively. The 1 won but 4 went favored which are there folks that can control who goes favored? Is there a group that would do anything in the world to ensure their profits will remain as high as possible? That aside, there was no time to make an intelligent decision and esp not knowing who would go favored then since CAW\'s have played games before with making one horse a favorite who shouldn\'t be if that\'s the correct financial decision.
The Stewards had ALL Day to decide to leave it alone or change it before the start of the p6. Someone alerted them and they screwed nearly every retail gambler involved in the race horizontally or playing vertically (and possibly the CAW\'s got screwed also? IDK) placing them in an impossible situation nearly at the gate about how to handle the situation.
RETAIL Gamblers are seen as the enemy of everyone employed in racing. It must be in the Employee Handbook at Every Track. Imagine being an employee who has to go on air and say NYRA does a better job of taking care of customers and provides the best product and on and on and on. . . I am often glad I never worked in the industry b/c lying esp to the public isn\'t in my DNA. It\'s a pre-requisite to make it with this gambling game/industry.
Yes, I won today. Yes, I did not have the winner of the finale. The point is the complete disregard for retail gamblers at every single step. It is getting more and more difficult to not walk away from a game I love.
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@TheNYRA wrote at 6:58 p.m.
An update from NYRA regarding Race 11:
Earlier today, Just One More [No.13] appeared as scratched during a portion of the Talking Horses broadcast. The stewards were alerted to the issue as the horses were in the paddock for Race 11 and determined that Just One More despite not having been scratched in the tote system at any point, would race for purse-money only with bettors receiving the post-time favorite Addagirl Addie [No. 4] in multi-race wagers.
So they let the horse run for purse money only because they said it was scratched on a preview show? Four hours before the race?
Who cares what they said in the broadcast.
Something is rotten in Denmark / NYRA.
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> Yes, I won today. Yes, I did not have the winner
> of the finale. The point is the complete
> disregard for retail gamblers at every single
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I am struggling with the following -- what you describe is an own-goal unforced error. Unfortunately, there are way too many of these, but these are not irreversible and can be fixed if there is a will to fix.
The One Big Beautiful Bill tax surcharge on recreational player handle is an irreversible external attack on horseplayers writ large. If it is going in any direction, I can see it getting worse if Republicans preserve the trifecta in 2026. This thing is camouflaged, but it is a direct surcharge on anybody who bets horses whether you win or lose.
This is the type of thing that everybody who loves this game should be able to unite on. This is Sparta and Athens and Persia just showed up. I know that much to my chagrin, if the horsebetting gambling surcharge is going to stay in place for 2026, I am going to have to change my action entirely to contest playing and give up on pari mutuel betting. That invisible hand should be pushing a lot of people. That is not sustainable for the business.
When we talk about death spiral for this business, This threat is way more serious than all the other usual stuff we have been talking about.
This is really depressing. Here is an example of how depressing - the only bright side for me that I can see is that I am 61 years old and not 41 years old. That is not a great bright side.
I would love nothing better than somebody showing me that I am being the sky is falling type - I would love it if what I write is wrong.
Have you seen the tax on sports wagers in Illinois?
Just to be clear, no one said the horse was scratched. Andy Serling actually picked the horse on top and discussed why he liked it. It was just a graphics error. I feel sorry for the poor person who goofed.
On the flip side, I\'m guessing they broadcast the show on the monitors for those at the track and if you were at the track and just grabbing the scratches off the monitor without listening, and then never listened to the changes on the public address system, you would be misled.
The decision is not one I would have made, but questionable decisions from the NYS Gaming Commission steward (Braulio Baeza Jr.) are part of the landscape at NYRA. Fortunately, since neither the purse-money-only horse nor the post-time favorite won, there was ultimately no impact on Pick-4, -5, or -6 players.
Meanwhile, the biggest casino in the world, the stock market, gets preferable tax treatment on everything. Lose money on a chinese fraud (there are many) , please deduct it from your taxes .
This tax thing is ridiculous. Where are all the wasps at the jockey club , with their supposed influence here ?
Ultimately, no impact is not quite accurate from my viewpoint. I understand what you are saying, however,
1. I was given the favorite since I was not allowed to use my own alternate. (Side note, is this available on Xpressbet for Cali tracks I\'m told? I don\'t have any ADW in Missouri, so not sure on this). So instead of assigning my scratch to the next likely winner, the 1, I was given the favorite.
2. I was given very little time whatsoever to make an alternate plan based on knowing now I have two tickets to the likely favorite without knowing the new payout to the favorite. (likely split in half I think based on the will pays I had written down originally). I am not one to hedge last year or so when alive to a horizontal but in this scenario where you are down to one horse and the likely fav with two tickets now, I may have considered vertical wagers to make the best of the situation. I froze a bit but also didn\'t have much time to decide imo.
This was all for a purse only scratch due to a small graphics error many hours earlier in the day. Wow.
And where is the NTRA, who\'s mission is to lobby for the horsplayer and industry?
They were busy getting bonus depreciation for thoroughbred owners.
Agreed. There was an impact before the race was run. As I said, I disagree with the decision. It had a potentially negative impact on a great number of people to protect a few who had ample opportunity to get correct information.
The wasps left around the end of the last century. These guys are wanna be wasps.
Australia has a good racing program. Lots of full field grass sprints. Good prices. Great on course analysis. Gotta stay up late.
I\'m living in the past, I like it better there
The leading rider in the country in races won has been suspended for six months for another whip violation. I guess it\'s more harmful to raise your whip over your head than to fill a horse with toxic chemicals?
Perhaps Mattress Mac is on to something?
Horse Racing Nation caught up with McIngvale on Tuesday, and he expanded on what he sees as the main problems in the industry.
\"Number one, I can make more money gambling on other sports,\" he said. \"The deal where they bet offshore and it comes in and changes the odds at the last minute, that really sucks.\"
The second problem, he said, is that \"I can\'t beat the cheaters and the veterinarians drugging and injecting these horses. So I\'m not going to impugn my integrity to win a horse race. And we ran on hay, oats and water for however long I was in it, probably 30 years. And it just got to the point where we weren\'t competitive and it was time to get out.\"
McIngvale believes the way to address computer wagering is to have fixed odds. \"That would be effective if they could pull that off because you want to know what you\'re getting on the horse. I mean, the other day I bet on my boy Bud Crawford against Canelo, and I got plus 140. I think it went off at plus 150, but at least I had the plus 140. I think they can attract a lot more gamblers if they have fixed odds.\"
MacIngvale believes the Horseracing Integrity and Safety Authority isn\'t the answer to racing\'s problems. \"I think HISA means well, but they\'re totally ineffective, impotent. I think the veterinarians shouldn\'t run horse racing. It ought to be run by people that love these animals. And having those veterinarians come out there and the trainer tells them what to inject them with, they go inject them, I think that\'s total bullshit. And it kills the bettors. You can\'t make any money. If bettors can\'t make any money, they ain\'t going to be out there forever. Gamblers got to make money.
\"Gamblers have got to at least have a fighting chance,\" he continued. \"I mean, I won a lot of money gambling in my life and I damn sure didn\'t win at the horse races. That\'s the revenue stream for horse races, gamblers. When was the last time they thought about the gamblers? They don\'t think about the gamblers, they think about the owners and the bloodstock agents who are making all the money on these sales, a lot of which are fraudulent, and these vets are all driving these brand new trucks. Well, who\'s paying for that? The gamblers are.\"
So what did he think of the record-breaking yearlings sale at Keeneland this month?
\"Ask them five years from now, how many of them came out? Ask them 5 years from now, how many of them made a profit on the deal?
\"I mean horse racing is a great game, it\'s got a lot of glamour, it\'s got a lot of this, it\'s got a lot of that. It\'s also the dirtiest game there is. Why get in it if you\'re playing by the rules? They all know that XYZ trainer and XYZ has got this wired. Come on. And then when they have a good horse, the other horses won\'t run against them. You got to have full fields, so you\'ve got some betting, betting action. You got to have full fields. Otherwise there\'s no gamble to it. You’ve got to get some overlays.\"
MacIngvale is in the process of selling his last horse, the 2015 champion sprinter Runhappy. So why now?
“I got better things to do with my life to bang my head up against this wall,\" he said. \"We had a lot of fun. There\'s a lot of great people in horse racing, but HISA was going to come in like the knight in shining armor and clean it all up. How\'d that work?â€
James McIngvale
\"The deal where they bet offshore and it comes in and changes the odds at the last minute, that really sucks. \"
Too bad he didn\'t expand on this
How about whipping a horse in the head on the gallop out? Where does that rank?
Good Luck,
Joe B.
I am still waiting for the articles, social media posts, or interviews that are screaming that Mattress Mac is Oh So Wrong about the injections, the lasix, the vets, and the cheaters and the drugging.
Something tells me that there won\'t be such a reply forthcoming.
And what does that tell ya?
Boscar Obarra Wrote:
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> Meanwhile, the biggest casino in the world, the
> stock market, gets preferable tax treatment on
> everything. Lose money on a chinese fraud (there
> are many) , please deduct it from your taxes .
>
> This tax thing is ridiculous. Where are all the
> wasps at the jockey club , with their supposed
> influence here ?
A good friend of mine pointed out that this tax change should move a lot of players out of the betting pools and into contests. I wonder how the sport will handle (no pun intended) a large migration of handle out of the pools and into contests. 2026 may become my Year of the Contests - skipping out of the betting pools and just sticking with contest betting. What would the impact on the sport be if a lot of people do likewise? It seems to me a no brainer to do something like the BCBC because it nets all your handle and you can dramatically reduce you excess tax obligation - it seems to me that many tracks should start offering BCBC-style contests on their big days as a way to keep handle from migrating away from the betting pools. Again, I would love it if I was wrong here and would be happy to be shown why I am wrong.
More than anything, I really feel sorry for innocent horseplayers who don\'t realize what the new world has in store for them. It really sucks to be in trouble with the IRS.