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Title: Dutrow on fire!
Post by: Roman on November 18, 2023, 07:42:30 PM
Seems like the guy can’t loose. If there was an advantage betting him and getting a price, it probably ended today. He is becoming a must use on tickets regardless of form and previous figures.
Title: Re: Dutrow on fire!
Post by: Tavasco on November 19, 2023, 08:29:05 PM
I\'m wondering how long it takes to process the BC blood/urine samples. I don\'t think Mr. Dutrow is a changed man in terms of character and values. Like others of his ilk,  his illusion is that he\'s smarter.
Title: Re: Dutrow on fire!
Post by: Roman on November 20, 2023, 09:40:42 AM
All horses labs returned no abnormal findings last week. All of them cleared.
Title: Re: Dutrow on fire!
Post by: BB on November 20, 2023, 10:24:43 AM
In the ten years of Dutrow’s exile, quite a few good trainers have departed the game. Perhaps the sharpest irony of the early days of the “HISA era”, is Tricky’s second act, with the clear implication that it’s a great time to have a real “horseman” for a trainer (with all that sobriquet implies).
Title: Re: Dutrow on fire!
Post by: wrongly2 on November 20, 2023, 06:19:24 PM
Why do we keep talking about this when EPO is so rampant!  How is anyone surprised.
Title: Re: Dutrow on fire!
Post by: Roman on November 21, 2023, 09:29:49 AM
Regarding EPO use, I know for a fact, beyond any doubt that EPO was & probably is being used in harness racing. After the Navarro/Servis debacle, we know it is being used in TB racing as well.

The question is who, the one I know for certain in harness racing, Eric Ledford, who I am naming because he is deceased, was a rampant PED user, and was caught.
Everybody knew and said nothing. He was moving up horses, completely by using PED\'s.

The race results, performance & times all were suspicious & proved to be true.

So is the only way to know that they are using undetectable PED\'s is by the performance of their horses? That seems to be a very thin indicator without any further proof. That is my problem, results seem suspicious, without any proof.

Regarding Mr.Dutrow, I was told that his horses receive great care, that he was spending 3k a month on peppermints, admitted to using steroids which where legal at the time he was using them, has had some overages & the Wild Desert fiasco, and  the syringes in the desk drawer that might have been planted. Bramlage the vet says he is the best horseman he has ever seen, so has Ian McKinley,glue-on horse shoer to the stars, Frank Lyons also says the same thing.

Dale Romans says that he is half horse.
And so on.
Nobody said that about Eric Ledford, or Navarro or Servis.
Title: Re: Dutrow on fire!
Post by: Boscar Obarra on November 21, 2023, 11:52:51 AM
What better combination  than expert + edge
Title: Re: Dutrow on fire!
Post by: Roman on November 21, 2023, 03:05:33 PM
https://paulickreport.com/features/in_their_care/kirkpatrick-co-presents-in-their-care-farrier-to-the-stars/

They read this post before writing the article. LOL