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Title: Turf note
Post by: phil123 on November 01, 2023, 05:35:57 PM
Fast rendition so no easy outs here but apparently the #1 may have a big time excuse for that last run - couldn\'t breathe.  Had throat surgery since.

https://breederscup.com/news/2023/shahryar-aims-to-rebound-in-breeders-cup-turf

On his best he\'s pretty good. Watching his Japan Cup run from last year, more than a little ground in there as well it kind of looks like.
Title: Re: Turf note
Post by: Tavasco on November 02, 2023, 05:08:31 AM
Good eye! and 15/1 on a horse who is still in its prime while having earned $8.3M to date. It is also worth mentioning that for some of the top Japanese horses, it is not unusual to race only a few times a year.

But I am biased in favor of the Samurai. The Sunday Silence, Deep Impact look still impresses me. Thanks, Phil.
Title: Re: Turf note
Post by: jbelfior on November 02, 2023, 05:12:04 AM
According to Ed DeRosa.....\"in 12f turf races at Santa Anita with at least 10 starters posts 1-4 are 0 for 32 since 2014; posts 1-7 are 1 for 56.\"

Hard to ignore if true.


Good Luck,
Joe B
Title: Re: Turf note
Post by: TGJB on November 02, 2023, 08:39:05 AM
If I’ve got this right (and I’m still post seminar groggy), that’s a total of 8 races.

Those downhill races are so screwed up it’s hard to tell what anything means.
Title: Re: Turf note
Post by: Roman on November 02, 2023, 10:42:05 AM
I am ignoring it completely, if you use that stat, you are throwing out 3 O\'Brien horses & Up To The Mark, not a big post position factor guy at 12 panels. Plenty of time to work out a trip if you got the horse.
Title: Re: Turf note
Post by: jbelfior on November 02, 2023, 11:49:07 AM
I\'m not listening to Ed\'s stats, simply stating them. For the record, I think the 2 inside horses have a big shot.


Good Luck,
Joe B
Title: Re: Turf note
Post by: Roman on November 02, 2023, 11:57:07 AM
No worries, best of luck to everyone.
Title: Re: Turf note
Post by: ajkreider on November 02, 2023, 01:41:41 PM
Would be a bit more interesting to see a stat about how far back the winners were at, say, the 6F mark.  Inside positions could play a role there, but if it\'s closing into that stretch on firm turf that\'s the problem, that has other handicapping implications, especially for some of the foreign runners.
Title: Re: Turf note
Post by: Tavasco on November 04, 2023, 03:12:15 PM
Could have won without being steadied helped the verticals nonetheless.