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Title: Longchamp & some BC Preps sorta
Post by: Tavasco on October 01, 2023, 07:43:44 AM
I started watching in wwhat NYRA lists as Gr1 - Qatar Prix De L\'arc De Triomphe but that was too complicated for me so I bet my choices in the next race Blue Rose Cen & Jannah Rose. But that was too complicated also the numbers I intended were 6 & 12 in an omni swinger. But I bought 6 & 13 in an omni swinger and they ran 13/6.

I started this post to put the winner on the BC radar because s/he it was very impressive closing from the back to win going away in the 1+1/2 mile race. So in all my confusion is seems as if the winners name is Ace Impact from Ireland. It was a Group 1 race so maybe he heads to the BC don\'t overlook him.

Oh, my bet error paid a surprising 4/1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rLuszBVMTc

OMG I think the race was the Arc De Triomphe!

Edit - It was and Blue Rose Cen ran great to win the next race to boot.
Title: Re: Longchamp & some BC Preps sorta
Post by: Roman on October 01, 2023, 10:07:06 AM
If Ace Impact comes over for the BC turf, and the beast from Japan, Equinox, comes also, it will be the best race on the card.
Title: Re: Longchamp & some BC Preps sorta
Post by: Marlin on October 03, 2023, 01:47:05 PM
I have noticed that typically the ARC runners or ARC winners don\'t fare well in the Breeders\' Cup Turf.  ODD, but happens all the time.
Title: Re: Longchamp & some BC Preps sorta
Post by: Roman on October 03, 2023, 02:25:30 PM
Enable was pretty good.
Title: Re: Longchamp & some BC Preps sorta
Post by: Roman on October 03, 2023, 02:36:13 PM
Found, Sakhee & Golden Horn also ran well also. That\'s four good horses in the last twenty years that all ran well in the BC Turf. I will have to disagree with you on that, always love the euros in the fall when they ship.
Title: Re: Longchamp & some BC Preps sorta
Post by: P-Dub on October 03, 2023, 04:31:03 PM
Put every Euro turf horse in your horizontal tickets
Title: Re: Longchamp & some BC Preps sorta
Post by: Tavasco on October 03, 2023, 07:55:06 PM
Kotashaan, Miss Alleged, In The Wings, Audarya, Starine and generally there just not that many french bred or campaigned horses.

So IMHO, they are due respect in any of the BC Turf events. It is a little unusual in that their form can be up and down. As P-Dub noted any of the euros can jump up at anytime not just Godolphin. Last year\'s winner prepped in Germany home of the famous Shirocco who also won the Classic.

Not to jump down Marlin\'s throat he may be tunnel visioning Arc day and not all Arc winner\'s make the trip so we don\'t always see their best.  I need to look at the Turf race qualifiers before touting any horse this year.
Title: Re: Longchamp & some BC Preps sorta
Post by: Molesap on October 03, 2023, 09:52:58 PM
Despite representing less than 40% of the entrants, Europeans have dominated the Breeders’ Cup Turf winning well over half of the Turf events (25/40 for 63% - yes there have only been 39 editions of the Breeders’ Cup Turf but there were two winners in 2003 with the dead heat of High Chaparral and Johar). There was only one instance where there was not at least one European in the trifecta (in 2022 there were two European trained horses landing in the trifecta). While Enable is the only horse to pull off the Arc-Breeder’s Cup Turf double, the Arc has produced 12 winners from the past 31 victors (39%), so that is a key race as is a Bel prep for US horses (usually the Joe Hirsch Turf Classic). Of the 25 Turf winners that invaded from across the pond, 14 Europeans have won in the last 17 years. Even Main Sequence, the 2014 victor (who is considered to be a home team winner) had more starts in Europe then he did in the US. Of the winners that raced in the US, 7 winners last prepped at Bel. Similar numbers are seen with the place horses. The Irish Champion has been very good with getting horses on the board (Anthony Van Dyck won that race prior to finishing third in the 2019 Turf) and most of the horses that ran in that race have run well in the Turf. Also note that over the last 8 years, an Aidan O’Brien horse has hit the board every time including three winners.
Title: Re: Longchamp & some BC Preps sorta
Post by: Tavasco on October 04, 2023, 12:20:54 AM
Aidan O\'Brien is apparently bringing the super impressive (and Arc day Winning) daughter of Justify, named Opera Singer to the Juvenile Filly Turf.

I like the Juvenile Turf with RosaLion back in form with a winning trip much like Ace Attack.

At this point I\'m thinking all three are very strong quinella prospects.As for NY campaigners not for me at this time. The Belmont winner in the Classic would seem to figure, hoping the SoCal bettors have a bias against.