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Title: Fishman Trial
Post by: Fairmount1 on January 27, 2022, 07:50:28 PM
Go to Pages 15 and 16.  Pletcher and Allday mentioned in some testimony today.  

Jorge did not pay his bills in a timely fashion and had a big mouth.  

The Baffert drama today made this get lost a touch when it should not have.  

https://cdn.bloodhorse.com/daily-app/pdfs/BloodHorseDaily-20220128.pdf
Title: Re: Fishman Trial
Post by: Fairmount1 on January 31, 2022, 06:38:57 PM
If only we could see ALL the information the feds gathered from their Fishman investigation.  All the client lists.  All the mailing addresses.  All the payments received.  All the texts.  All the wiretaps.  All the other vets he associated with. . .

\"Say it ain\'t so Mo\" is probably still available for naming a horse.


https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/fishman-absent-from-court-after-wiretaps-reveal-him-bragging-about-dubai-sales/
Title: Re: Fishman Trial
Post by: Roman on January 31, 2022, 06:38:58 PM
https://paulickreport.com/news/the-biz/fishman-reveals-contract-with-sheikh-mos-equine-hospital/

Fishman claims Godolphin and Sheik Mo spent over 2 million for his program, the tentacles this trial could reveal may be overwhelming!
Also claimed it gave Goldophin the best 3 years the stable has had.
Title: Re: Fishman Trial
Post by: Roman on January 31, 2022, 06:48:16 PM
Remember the NBA referee Donaghy, a FBI agent was quoted saying that if the truth got out about the "real NBA", it would be on par with professional wrestling in regards to who they choose to win. This feels like it is worse than that. Couple that with the Ntra news, it looks like no wants to play by the rules.
Title: Re: Fishman Trial
Post by: Boscar Obarra on January 31, 2022, 06:57:04 PM
Once in a while , an inspiration. Thought this went well with that story.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TqDdcfZkNs
Title: Re: Fishman Trial
Post by: Tavasco on February 01, 2022, 03:56:50 AM
Imagine Billionaire oil Sheiks and rulers of clans and countries thinking they are above the law?

On the other hand, Sheik Mo probably has the most competent PR operation on the planet. The story of his wife sure disappeared fast. Or was it the reporter? Yeah. that was a different Sheik.

Plus, purchases totaling only millions probably didn\'t even get to his desk.
Title: Re: Fishman Trial
Post by: Roman on February 01, 2022, 10:06:06 AM
Like it was written for the moment.
Title: Re: Fishman Trial
Post by: Roman on February 01, 2022, 07:56:01 PM
Quote from the defense attorney on closing arguments, \"Seth Fishman improvidently chose to live in a rough neighborhood among racehorse owners and trainers bent on cheating,\" Sercarz said.

\"I submit it was Dr. Fishman who was trying to wean horses off much more dangerous stuff and provide a safer alternative while adhering to his oath as a licensed vet to protect the welfare and safety of animals.\"

See , Fishman is what you would call an equine chemical dependency unit physician,  instead of methadone,  he chose epo and clenbuturol!

What is he weaning them off of? Wouldn\'t he have to be able to test what he was weaning them off of? And if it is un-testable, what is he testing for?
Title: Re: Fishman Trial
Post by: confused on February 02, 2022, 07:17:29 AM
When the \'wiretap\' case got underway I think most of us believed that it would reveal that evidence of the cheating problem would spread well beyond the two most recognized criminals (that\'s what they are).  I was still naïve, however, in not thinking that it would draw the Arabs in with it.  When you have unlimited money and are breeding the best to the best, do you also need to be cheating?  Maybe so.

Pletcher and Allday?  For sure...there was an interview on Sirius, years ago, during which Allday was questioned directly about PEDs and he said, more or less, I never used an illegal drug.  When they declared something illegal that I was using, I stopped using it.  

That was his explanation and defense.  Sort of like Fishman.  Not quite, but close enough.

There\'s one thing that I\'m not \'confused\' about.  I spotted Navarro and Servis well before anyone else was talking about it...profited by betting them, following my belief that they were cheating.  And I had a saying: when I bet Chad Brown I win 25% of the time and when I bet against him I lose 100% of the time.  The math doesn\'t work, but that was what confused me.  What doesn\'t confuse me is what the 25% trainers are doing; what the people who win multiple graded races on some weekends are doing.

And now, possibly, what the Arabs themselves are doing.

It\'s bad enough when it\'s happening to us as handicappers, but as an owner I have a distinctly shitty memory of standing in the paddock with confidence that my runner that day had a great shot at winning an Optional Claimer.  Only to see a shipper walk in, floating on air.  Clearly juiced after losing its previous race by 35 lengths.  My trainer turned to me and said \"I think we\'re running for second today.\"  The shipper beat us every step of the way and my clean horse ran his heart out, only to lose.

That hurt.
Title: Re: Fishman Trial
Post by: hellersorr on February 02, 2022, 08:27:36 AM
https://www.bbc.com/sport/horse-racing/27055292
Title: Re: Fishman Trial
Post by: hellersorr on February 02, 2022, 08:31:44 AM
https://guyanachronicle.com/2009/08/04/sheik-mohammed-gets-six-month-ban-for-horse-doping/
Title: Re: Fishman Trial
Post by: hellersorr on February 02, 2022, 08:33:32 AM
https://www.plenglish.com/news/2021/12/08/camel-contest-cheating-detected-in-saudi-arabia/
Title: Re: Fishman Trial
Post by: TGJB on February 02, 2022, 10:43:22 AM
I admit it, I checked to see if it was April first.
Title: Re: Fishman Trial
Post by: Roman on February 02, 2022, 04:29:04 PM
Pletcher is winning at about 45% at Gulfstream.
Title: Re: Fishman Trial
Post by: Roman on February 02, 2022, 04:38:06 PM
Wondering if he rats now!
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/256531/fishman-guilty-in-ped-case-faces-20-years-in-prison
Title: Re: Fishman Trial
Post by: Boscar Obarra on February 02, 2022, 04:45:11 PM
Well, was there even a line on this outcome, 1 to 100 maybe,

 More To Tell ?
Title: Re: Fishman Trial
Post by: richiebee on February 02, 2022, 07:48:00 PM
Feds want him detained until sentencing.

Wonder if he\'s safer inside or outside?
Title: Re: Fishman Trial
Post by: Fairmount1 on February 02, 2022, 08:01:18 PM
I hope Servis goes to trial just to learn what other info will come out.  Otherwise, that info may never get revealed. And I\'m certain there is far more to learn.  

In addition, an interesting catch by Pat Cummings on Twitter also from the press release of the feds about the conviction.  Click on the image to read it after you see his tweet.  

https://twitter.com/PatCummingsTIF/status/1488962979664179200/photo/1
Title: Re: Fishman Trial
Post by: Roman on February 02, 2022, 09:41:55 PM
Epstein redux?
Title: Re: Fishman Trial
Post by: Roman on February 02, 2022, 09:45:10 PM
This might get nuts!
Title: Re: Fishman Trial
Post by: Roman on February 02, 2022, 10:02:16 PM
Who was his employer in the UAE, and no comment from Godolphin.
https://www.leagle.com/decision/infdco20201030j04
Title: Re: Fishman Trial
Post by: Roman on February 03, 2022, 05:04:45 PM
Gural says he has Fishmans client list, wondering if he will make it public?
Title: Dump of Fishman Client list is here
Post by: Boscar Obarra on February 04, 2022, 01:49:47 PM
https://paulickreport.com/news/the-biz/a-look-at-seth-fishmans-client-lists/

Its a long list.  Nothing amazing  stood out to me on a quick glance, but I would assume trainers used shills to obtain the wares.
Title: Re: Dump of Fishman Client list is here
Post by: Fairmount1 on February 04, 2022, 03:59:30 PM
Come On.

You are telling me that Wild Quail Blue Balls didn\'t stand out to you LOLOLOL????
Title: Re: Dump of Fishman Client list is here
Post by: Boscar Obarra on February 04, 2022, 04:36:08 PM
well if you want to get technical there\'s

LET IT RIDE STABLES & Whodathunkit Stable
Title: Re: Dump of Fishman Client list is here
Post by: Fairmount1 on February 04, 2022, 06:30:14 PM
Jeremy Balan on twitter said that he was told by multiple sources that there may be a completely different list for the thoroughbred clients.
Title: Re: Dump of Fishman Client list is here
Post by: Boscar Obarra on February 04, 2022, 06:35:43 PM
Yeah, I see that. No indication that the list was broken out by TB vs Harness in the paulick article.

Anyhow, like I said, 4th cousins and tweaker friends could easily be the customers, though if they had no connection to racing, it would be easy to spot .

 You\'d have to think some effort was made to obfuscate.
Title: Re: Dump of Fishman Client list is here
Post by: Roman on February 04, 2022, 08:01:03 PM
Quite a few harness names recognized!
Title: Re: Dump of Fishman Client list is here
Post by: Roman on February 04, 2022, 08:09:52 PM
And Ray recognizes the names also!
https://twitter.com/raypaulick/status/1489713867869413378
Title: Re: Dump of Fishman Client list is here
Post by: Fairmount1 on February 06, 2022, 09:19:06 AM
https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/horse-racing-doping-new-york-16771265.php
Title: Re: Dump of Fishman Client list is here
Post by: adelphi on February 06, 2022, 12:07:12 PM
It\'s going to get really ugly when the T-U prints the \"Journey of Racehorses from Track to Slaughterhouse\" chapter of their investigation.