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Title: Dead Rail--no doubt
Post by: relgan1 on November 06, 2021, 11:37:35 PM
Looking at the Saturday Del Mar charts  this was one of the worst dead rail days we have seen for awhile. I didn\'t get there until the third so I missed the solid Baltas runner in the opener getting clear moving to rail then  finishing last.  Gamine, Jackie\'s Warrior were both beaten before they turned in. I was all set to make the  (valid) point that in the old days of TG handicapping, a horse off a pair of negative numbers and a ship like Jackie Warrior would have been a must bet against.. Add in end of the long year. I scoped that part out pre-race but now I don\'t know if it was just the dead rail as opposed to the pair of crushingly fast tops. We, who are passionate about this game, deserve better than dead rails on Championship days.
Title: Re: Dead Rail--no doubt
Post by: TGJB on November 07, 2021, 06:12:13 AM
Was Kimari on the rail?
Title: Re: Dead Rail--no doubt
Post by: jbelfior on November 07, 2021, 06:14:41 AM
Following Sea was on the rail and wins by 2-3 if he doesn\'t check.


Good Luck,
Joe B
Title: Re: Dead Rail--no doubt
Post by: TGJB on November 07, 2021, 06:43:20 AM
Not Kimari. Meant Edgeway.
Title: Re: Dead Rail--no doubt
Post by: jerry on November 07, 2021, 08:23:43 AM
Are we talking about turf, dirt or both?
Title: Re: Dead Rail--no doubt
Post by: jerry on November 07, 2021, 08:50:02 AM
Friday or Saturday or both?
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Post by: johnnym on November 07, 2021, 09:06:55 AM
Saturday definitely outside on the dirt.
Title: Re: Dead Rail--no doubt
Post by: relgan1 on November 07, 2021, 09:13:42 AM
Kimini was in the turf sprint. Had Wesley put her in the dirt race I believe she wins as she was much faster then Cee Cee and herself a wide sweeper. He said she wasn't fit to run 7. She got beat a diminishing margin for a minor award looking every bit like a filly who needed more ground
Title: Re: Dead Rail--no doubt
Post by: relgan1 on November 07, 2021, 09:18:41 AM
Edgeway had one of the best clocker reports entering the race for a guy Sadler who does very well when they train big. Yes she moved through inside but visually hit the quicksand and never was quickly dispatched.IMHO it was an optical illusion that she ran well inside. The other two were done.
Title: Re: Dead Rail--no do
Post by: relgan1 on November 07, 2021, 09:27:08 AM
Following Sea showed none of his usual speed—maybe they wanted to avoid the duel which I'm sure Ron Anderson proffered. He got off the rail after his trouble.  I have huge respect for everything you say on the board Joe, but I didn't feel there was a real kick from him in the last 1/16th. Will have to look again at that. While you're here, Ivar, one who you mentioned on this board pre race, was truly unlucky to lose   Shockingly crawling slow pace for a championship race and first two runners are inside. Ivar probably gets best number
Title: Re: Dead Rail--no doubt
Post by: relgan1 on November 07, 2021, 09:32:11 AM
Talking dirt only and Saturday.
Title: Re: Dead Rail--no doubt
Post by: jerry on November 07, 2021, 09:43:45 AM
I don't see it either day turf or dirt.
Title: Re: Dead Rail--no doubt
Post by: prist on November 10, 2021, 05:54:43 AM
Good call, relgan1.
Title: Re: Dead Rail--Edgeway
Post by: BitPlayer on November 10, 2021, 02:31:14 PM
After watching the NBC replay on Youtube, I don\'t see Edgeway as 2w.  She came off the rail into the stretch, but was on it for the turn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOFVIAoF43o
Title: Re: Dead Rail--Edgeway
Post by: Gary Irish on November 10, 2021, 06:28:13 PM
There way a time when I would pick up on such things. 2001 BC at Belmont, the poster child for dead rails (dirt).

I forget the year, but watched with attentiveness the dead rail at Turfway Park in the KY Cup series about a month before the BC.

Horses were dying on the rail all day. By the time the feature came up it was pretty obvious. DWL had Cat Thief entered, and he had an inside post. Some CA speedball kept him pinned in for the first part, and when Da Devil came rolling by at big odds it was sweet. Of course the Devil was nowhere in the BC.

Meanwhile Cat Thief was dismissed at Gulfstream come BC time. This small player put in many tickets using the Barry Meadow approach, singling the Cat on every one.


I didn\'t make it that far in my tickets. By the time the Classic came, I was down to seeds and stems. A major malfunction.

You would think a player would learn. Hard lessons.