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Title: Questions for JB
Post by: richiebee on May 02, 2021, 10:29:29 AM
JB

Is TG going to track trainer performance \"off Lasix\"?

Do you think runners in no lasix races are being monitored closely enough? I
wonder how many graded stakes participants bled during Saturday\'s races? You
would have thought it would have been an interesting and important exercise to
have \"scoped\" the 19 Derby runners post race and made the results public.

Seems like no Lasix, no sweat for the BBC-- Bob, Brad and Chad. Chad had a few
that seemed to explode this weekend, including his winner of the License Fee at
Belmont Friday, a 3YO Euro import filly taking on older.

As to TAP, more of the same Sinatra stuff (Riding high in April, shot down in
May). TAP saddles the winner of the Florida Derby and the 1-2 finishers in the
Wood and none of them fire in the Derby. I am beginning to think TAP\'s two
Derby wins an aberration?
Title: Re: Questions for JB
Post by: johnnym on May 02, 2021, 10:45:59 AM
I was of the Phat Man yesterday due to the different #s on and off lasix.


Mr.Pletcher in the derby Super Savor had the stars align regarding looking at lucky 1 hole and Ice Box horrible trip.
Always dreaming no Baffert entered.

Pletcher derby strategy, bet against his horses to win.
If he wins double down what you lost and bet against him in the Preakness.

Looking forward to seeing how your Belmont lock performs.

GL..
Title: Re: Lasix article in DRF
Post by: BitPlayer on May 02, 2021, 10:48:17 AM
In case you missed it, this is a well-done piece by Marcus Hersh regarding how top trainers are adapting to the Lasix rules and what, if any, effect the changes have had on performance (as measured by Beyers),

https://www.drf.com/news/kentucky-derby-2021-trainers-not-overly-troubled-lasix-ban
Title: Re: Questions for JB
Post by: bluechip21 on May 02, 2021, 01:48:30 PM
A better question to ask is are they going track sire off lasix.
Title: Re: Questions for JB
Post by: richiebee on May 03, 2021, 08:58:40 AM
Some good thoughts in there Johnny.

When the conversation turned to bad Derby rail draws, I immediately thought of
Lookin at Lucky (Baffert) in 2010. LAL was a Derby favorite (6/1!) from the
rail who had a miserable trip and wound up sixth. LAL exploded in the
Preakness, moving forward from a Derby TG 33 to a negative 2.

A LAL Derby win would have been nice for then leading sire Smart Strike. Smart
Strike had two sons (Curlin and English Channel) win at the 2007 Breeders Swamp
at Monmouth but like the leading sire who replaced him at the top of the list,
Tapit, Smart Strike produced no Derby winners.

Poor Super Saver, now standing stud in Whoknowswhereguay or Whereistan, hoping
that the accomplishments of a mare who started in Mexico (Letruska) can punch
his ticket back to the U.S. Uno Mundo!

There have been a surprising amount of Baffertless Derbies.

During the NBC telecast Grindstone\'s 1996 Derby win was mentioned in numerous
contexts: ridden by Bailey, and the last Derby winner to run without Lasix.
Grindstone beat Cavonnier (Baffert) in a photo that was extremely close. On
that Derby day I had dumped my bets in at OTB (Hylan Blvd) and went home to my
living room to watch the Derby (not Living Room Downs yet, I had no way to bet
from home). I had Grindstone hooked up in a couple of horizontals and
Grindstone and Cavonnier hit the wire and its veryclose and the photo sign is
flashing. ABC cut to commercial like six or seven times, they kept cutting back
and the photo sign was still flashing. I was going bats--t crazy and vowed
never to rely on a network feed again...

When you look at Cavonnier\'s near miss in 96 I would imagine it is fair to say
that BB came close to winning three consecutive Derbies, 96-98.

I read that Rosario briefly lost an iron at the start of the Derby, giving at
least one Derby jock an excuse for not riding more aggressively. Speculation is
that the narrower starting stalls in the new CD gate may have been the cause of
the lost iron. The narrower stalls have been mentioned as part of the equation
that decreases the disadvantages of drawing an inside post...

I disagree with this. My feeling is that in a 20 horse field, a runner breaking
from the inside will always be susceptible to faster rivals outbreaking him and
cutting over to the rail.

Johnny you only got one thing wrong. I never called \"Dynamic\" a Belmont \"lock\".
Far from it, but he is a horse I will have to bet on if he is in the Belmont.
Mostly a pedigree play, and TAP at the Belmont has been a bit of a different
story than TAP at the Derby.
Title: Re: Questions for JB
Post by: hooper on May 03, 2021, 11:55:36 AM
This was in The BloodHorse.

The interior of the stalls are an inch and a half wider than the track\'s usual gate, Jordan said, though the dividers between the stalls are narrower.

\"So rather than coming out like from the 1 (post), where it used to be, you\'re almost coming out of the 3 path,\" he said. \"So instead of coming out of the 20, the way it used to be, you\'re almost down to like the 18 or the 17.\"