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Title: Mark Casse's Devastating Take on Bute
Post by: hellersorr on March 03, 2020, 01:21:04 PM
https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/op-ed-clenbuterol-it-has-to-be-stopped-and-now/
Title: Re: Mark Casse's Devastating Take on Bute
Post by: Boscar Obarra on March 03, 2020, 02:30:12 PM
An impressive and shockingly candid (for a successful trainer no less) expose of what most of us around the game for a time have already figured  out.

  This is why some sort of federal regulation with teeth is needed.


  Make it a felony.
Title: Re: Mark Casse's Devastating Take on Bute
Post by: TGJB on March 03, 2020, 03:36:43 PM
Clenbuterol, not bute.
Title: Re: Mark Casse's Devastating Take on Bute
Post by: Strike on March 03, 2020, 03:37:58 PM
Where are similar voices out of Santa Anita? Either management or the trainers themselves.

Clenbuterol is a synthetic stimulant (not a steroid), with similar short-term effects to other stimulants (such as amphetamines or ephedrine). These include increased heart rate, blood pressure, breathing, and metabolism. In fact, it was first developed to promote mass gain in animals. Long-term use in animals has been associated with increased muscle mass and reduced fat.


Just ban it. Ridiculous that horse racing is this blind.
Title: Re: Mark Casse's Devastating Take on Bute
Post by: Strike on March 03, 2020, 03:41:16 PM
TGJB Wrote:
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> Clenbuterol, not bute.

True. Testing my Google skills --

Bute, short for phenylbutazone, is probably the most widely used drug in horses. Bute is an inexpensive, highly effective treatment for inflammation and pain that can be injected intravenously or given orally to horses as a powder or paste. Bute works by inhibiting a class of enzymes called cyclo-oxygenases, COX for short. Activation of this system is a necessary step in the complex chain of events that results in inflammation.
Title: Re: Clenbuterol and California
Post by: BitPlayer on March 03, 2020, 03:45:03 PM
California\'s clenbuterol roles are already much more strict than ARCI rules:

https://www.paulickreport.com/news/ray-s-paddock/view-from-the-eighth-pole-its-time-to-get-rid-of-clenbuterol/
Title: Re: Clenbuterol and California
Post by: Strike on March 03, 2020, 03:49:45 PM
BitPlayer Wrote:
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> California\'s clenbuterol roles are already much
> more strict than ARCI rules:
>
> https://www.paulickreport.com/news/ray-s-paddock/v
> iew-from-the-eighth-pole-its-time-to-get-rid-of-cl
> enbuterol/

Thank you for that.
Title: Re: Mark Casse's Devastating Take on Bute
Post by: hellersorr on March 03, 2020, 05:38:00 PM
My bad.  Thanks for correcting.
Title: Re: Mark Casse's Devastating Take on Bute
Post by: TGJB on March 03, 2020, 06:02:23 PM
The good news is they’re trying to ban it.

Oh wait, that’s Lasix...

More on that front soon.
Title: Re: Mark Casse's Devastating Take on Bute
Post by: Boscar Obarra on March 03, 2020, 07:37:49 PM
Dont feel too badly, on the Byk show they discussed how the two are often \'conflated\'
Title: Re: Mark Casse's Devastating Take on Bute
Post by: hellersorr on March 03, 2020, 07:42:24 PM
I was actually going to look it up to be sure before I posted but decided . . .nah.
Title: Re: Mark Casse & Dr. Allday on Clen..
Post by: Kasept on March 04, 2020, 03:40:16 AM
Mark Casse & Dr. Steven Allday from Tuesday ATR..

ALLDAY ~ Background on Clenbuterol from helpful bronchodilator origins (developed specifically for equine athletes) to abuse in post-steroid era; Also, Baxter stacking suspension (Segment starts at 40:00): https://stevebyk.com/broadcast/part-2-andy-serling-dr-allday-2/

As noted by Bos, Allday is asked to clarify distinctions between asthma treating bronchodilator Clenbuterol and NSAID (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory) Phenylbutazone/Butazolidin

CASSE ~ Motivation for writing op-ed, experience in and concern for industry: https://stevebyk.com/broadcast/part-3-mark-casse-jeremy-plonk/
Title: Re: Mark Casse's Devastating Take on Bute
Post by: JimP on March 04, 2020, 06:23:27 AM
Shines a new light on bounce and recovery times.
Title: Re: Mark Casse's Devastating Take on Bute
Post by: Boscar Obarra on March 04, 2020, 08:13:47 AM
Did you catch Casse say, that testing is ineffective and that performance jumps were the best flag .....
Title: Re: Mark Casse's Devastating Take on Bute
Post by: JohnTChance on March 05, 2020, 09:33:32 AM
As an old-timer on this board, I know that many new threads here really are continuations of very old threads. For example, over two decades have passed since Andy Beyer wrote his article \"CLENBUTEROL BEATS THE ODDS\" in the Washington Post. It was (gulp) January 29, 1997! You can google it if you want.

My favorite line: \"With it,\" a veterinarian said, \"YOU CAN MAKE PIGS LOOK LIKE RACEHORSES.\"