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Title: FYI
Post by: skitimber on March 27, 2019, 07:22:46 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/27/opinion/racehorses-santa-anita-deaths.html
Title: Re: FYI
Post by: toppled on March 27, 2019, 08:18:09 AM
One of the solutions, switching to synthetics, was tried & even though there are a handful of synthetic tracks left, was basically a failure in the USA.
Title: Re: FYI
Post by: Marlin on March 27, 2019, 09:08:26 AM
\"A bill just introduced in Congress would be a first step toward nationwide governance for the sport.\"

Yes, like anyone needs more Federal Government involved in anything, More overreaching/out of bounds governance!
Title: Re: FYI
Post by: BB on March 27, 2019, 09:40:01 AM
toppled Wrote:
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> One of the solutions, switching to synthetics, was
> tried & even though there are a handful of
> synthetic tracks left, was basically a failure in
> the USA.

Say what you will about synthetics, one thing it most certainly did not fail at was reducing the rate of catastrophic equine injuries (which is the context of the article).
Title: Re: FYI
Post by: johnnym on March 27, 2019, 11:33:22 AM
Amen to that
First time ever I had to owe on my tax returns
Title: Re: FYI
Post by: JimP on March 27, 2019, 12:16:55 PM
This is the exception.
Title: Re: FYI
Post by: johnnym on March 27, 2019, 12:27:47 PM
JimP
Why is this the exception?
What has the Government ever got involved in and left it better than they found it?
Title: Re: FYI
Post by: TGJB on March 27, 2019, 12:33:50 PM
Not here, guys.
Title: Re: FYI
Post by: Mike C on March 27, 2019, 01:12:01 PM
what about the statement in the article
\"There is little science that says Lasix actually does
 that job, but quite a lot of science identifying Lasix
 as a performance-enhancing drug.\"
Is this statement true? is there really only \"little\" scientific evidence that Lasix helps control bleeding? Is there \" a lot\" of science that says Lasix improves performance?
Title: Re: FYI
Post by: bluechip21 on March 27, 2019, 04:23:54 PM
I’d like to know if a horse bleeding is public information.
Title: Re: FYI
Post by: Niall on March 27, 2019, 05:12:14 PM
Lets take a look at Serengeti Empress. Is she now (or was all along) a confirmed bleeder. She bled through Lasix and finished up the track at what 3-5? I heard Steve Byk comment on it today advocating for the drug. If you didnt like her you had to play \"all\" imo. What did the analysis say? How is the horseplayer protected in these situations? Those supporting the use of Lasix are going to lose simply because you cant really defend it.

Talk Derby to me! Have lost 2 years in a row on Drby future wagers where I had seemingly good chances at a very nice score. Classic Empire and Mendellsohn, both broke from 14 and were clobbered at the start. I didnt even get the satisfaction of losing courageously... This year I keyed Game Winner and Roadster over a lot. I\'ll be in Vegas for the race.. any suggestions? As always, appreciate everyone who takes the time speak out on the game we love. Best of luck to the new head of NYRA, David O\'Rourke, may he find great success.
Title: Re: FYI
Post by: bluechip21 on March 27, 2019, 05:55:59 PM
3YO fillies, in my experience, are tough. Looking back the winner of that race had a decent pattern. Series of pairs, a move up wasn’t out of the question, though I’m welcome to someone telling me I’m wrong with that analysis. I didn’t play the race that day.

I recall in the Sword Dancer last year Jerry saying Glorious Empire was a bleeder and if he didn’t bleed, he had a shot. And he won. My question is, how is a layman supposed to know if a horse bleeds or not? Is it just knowing sires? Listening to Byk? Giving an excuse to a horse with strong figures? Or simply having a closer ear to the ground? Also reminds me of Catholic Boy, who bled in one of his preps and took him off the derby trail, is it scuttlebutt?
Title: Re: FYI
Post by: TGJB on March 27, 2019, 07:20:41 PM
In the case of Glorious Empire it was obvious enough to be in the charts, but you’re right, there should be more info to the public.
Title: Re: FYI
Post by: bluechip21 on March 28, 2019, 04:48:54 AM
Charts! Should’ve thought of that. Thanks Jerry.
Title: Re: FYI
Post by: Socalman3 on March 28, 2019, 04:07:27 PM
When I read this article, I got angry because of what I perceive to be hypocrisy.

As I understand it, in France, you can buy horse meat in the supermarket.  In the US if a trainer or an owner is caught selling a horse to slaughter, that owner or trainer can no longer get a license to race.  In France, I assume it is normal commerce.  Why is it worse if a horse dies training or racing versus at the hands of a butcher?

Also, what kind of statistics can they get in Europe? If most horses are trained in backyards or farms, how do they even have fatality statistics that are in any way comparable?

What about hurdles and jumps?  Maybe the fatalities are less, but the overall races are less too.  How can one measure?  Are hurdles and jumps safer in one country than another?