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Title: Santa Anita
Post by: FrankD. on March 05, 2019, 06:24:48 PM
http://live.drf.com/nuggets/47243-santa-anita-track-cancels-racing-indefinitely
Title: Re: Santa Anita
Post by: johnnym on March 06, 2019, 05:04:05 AM
Very interested to see how Baffert handles this
No way can he win the Derby of one race in 7 months
Can he?
Title: Re: Santa Anita
Post by: FrankD. on March 06, 2019, 01:32:59 PM
https://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/santa-anita-closed-san-felipe-battle-of-midway-13667291.php


https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/trainers-meeting-at-santa-anita-yields-few-concrete-answers/
Title: Re: Santa Anita
Post by: billk5300s on March 06, 2019, 03:10:34 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/sep/23/racing-racetrack-surfaces-horse-deaths

There were similar issues in 2014.  Numbers show that polytrack is safer but for a number of reasons including track biases tracks were prefer to avoid it.
Title: Re: Santa Anita
Post by: TGJB on March 06, 2019, 03:26:17 PM
I\'m hearing they will be closed for at least 3 weeks.
Title: Re: Santa Anita
Post by: johnnym on March 06, 2019, 05:41:45 PM
Wow that’s huge
Title: Re: Santa Anita
Post by: breakage1 on March 06, 2019, 05:45:17 PM
Ritvo-LOL.  In some cases they could run on marshmallow................

Maybe they just saved the lives of the Baffert hopefuls?
Title: Re: Santa Anita
Post by: P-Dub on March 07, 2019, 01:53:31 PM
TGJB Wrote:
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> I\'m hearing they will be closed for at least 3
> weeks.


With that info sounds like the SA Derby may not be run. What a PR nightmare.

Starting with the idiotic decision to replace Wrona, nothing has gone right this meet.
Title: Re: Santa Anita
Post by: JohnTChance on March 07, 2019, 01:56:54 PM
The 21 horse deaths at Santa Anita have nothing to do with track condition! Only morons believe this. Including some horse trainers I know who barely graduated high school, with little or no science background. Cornell Pathology professor George Maylin proved it’s overnutrition and drug factors that cause breakdowns. Steroids effect bone. And we’re not even talkin’ all the rat poison crap found in Baffert’s sample of deaths a few years back. Ugh. So sad...

I’m thinking of the great jockey Victor Espinoza, who suffered a terrible injury at Del Mar this summer when a horse he was riding broke down. Wasn’t that horse trained by Peter Miller? Go review all Miller’s ThoroGraph sheets. If you don’t believe Miller’s vet is using \"something very strong\" beyond the norm, you’d be wrong. Miller is the fool who once told the DRF: “How can I train horses without steroids?” I mean… what an idiot. That’s the mentality of the industry.
Title: Re: Santa Anita
Post by: Boscar Obarra on March 07, 2019, 03:28:13 PM
Looks like Mr Roger Stein might have been right .  He had a very low opinion of the way Calif tracks are run

 Can\'t tell what\'s behind this latest carnage, but this is about as ugly a look as I can remember anywhere

Makes some viral outbreak, which you know will recede, look like Xmas.
Title: Re: Santa Anita
Post by: Al Caught Up on March 07, 2019, 07:29:01 PM
so ... was nobody using steroids etc. last year when horse fatalities were at an all-time low in California?
Title: Re: Santa Anita
Post by: Ace on March 07, 2019, 07:47:00 PM
Speaking of Mr. Stein, does anyone know how Roger is doing?  I listened to him for many years right up until his retirement. I know his health seemed to be declining.
Title: Re: Santa Anita
Post by: Boscar Obarra on March 07, 2019, 08:13:02 PM
Was wondering myself . Was tempted to reach out to the Hardoon kid.

 Yeah,   I knew him when he was just a kid.
Title: Re: Santa Anita
Post by: Strike on March 07, 2019, 08:23:18 PM
TGJB Wrote:
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> I\'m hearing they will be closed for at least 3
> weeks.

Only a guess at this time on my part but with the Breeder\'s Cup looming in early November my guess is they will shut down the show for at least 3 weeks and probably many more. That may seem way off on the calendar but not so fast. If they decide they need to replace the main track surface -- it will take some time. Then, they will need to test it out before the BC. I am hearing the training track opens on Friday for jogs and gallops only. A big fat mess.
Title: Re: Santa Anita
Post by: Strike on March 08, 2019, 10:00:27 AM
Strike Wrote:
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> TGJB Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I\'m hearing they will be closed for at least 3
> > weeks.
>
> Only a guess at this time on my part but with the
> Breeder\'s Cup looming in early November my guess
> is they will shut down the show for at least 3
> weeks and probably many more. That may seem way
> off on the calendar but not so fast. If they
> decide they need to replace the main track surface
> -- it will take some time. Then, they will need to
> test it out before the BC. I am hearing the
> training track opens on Friday for jogs and
> gallops only. A big fat mess.


Ritvo (Stronach COO) says today they opened the training first (today) for galloping and jogging and they will monitor how that goes for a few days. They then plan to open the main track for galloping and jogging when Dennis Moore (track maintenance supervisor) gives his OK and monitor how that goes for a few days. Ritvo is hopeful they will be again open for racing before March 28.
Title: Re: Santa Anita
Post by: jma11473 on March 08, 2019, 11:10:42 AM
Yeah, they just invented a bunch of new drugs this year and gave them out to everyone and they\'re the cause....that\'s much more plausible than the much above normal, constant rainfall and the track being repeatedly sealed.
Title: Re: Santa Anita
Post by: P-Dub on March 08, 2019, 07:27:58 PM
JohnTChance Wrote:
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> The 21 horse deaths at Santa Anita have nothing to
> do with track condition! Only morons believe this.
> Including some horse trainers I know who barely
> graduated high school, with little or no science
> background. Cornell Pathology professor George
> Maylin proved it’s overnutrition and drug
> factors that cause breakdowns. Steroids effect
> bone. And we’re not even talkin’ all the rat
> poison crap found in Baffert’s sample of deaths
> a few years back. Ugh. So sad...
>
> I’m thinking of the great jockey Victor
> Espinoza, who suffered a terrible injury at Del
> Mar this summer when a horse he was riding broke
> down. Wasn’t that horse trained by Peter Miller?
> Go review all Miller’s ThoroGraph sheets. If you
> don’t believe Miller’s vet is using \"something
> very strong\" beyond the norm, you’d be wrong.
> Miller is the fool who once told the DRF: “How
> can I train horses without steroids?” I mean…
> what an idiot. That’s the mentality of the
> industry.

You are correct in using the word moron, if you are referring to the guy who thinks its because of drugs and not the track.

Channeling my inner Miff.....Brilliant!!!!
Title: Re: Santa Anita
Post by: johnnym on March 10, 2019, 05:51:56 AM
http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/santa-anita-to-re-open-mar-22/#.XIQLHDegjrU.twitter
Title: Re: Santa Anita
Post by: Silver Charm on March 10, 2019, 06:15:53 AM
List read it briefly but certainly sounds like there is finger pointing and a blame game going on.

Vet Records after a Claim?
Track coercing to run for bigger Fields?

They are running a lot of cheaper races at GP it seems to me. Getting bigger fields and are not having the breakdowns.

Every business should be requires to evaluate its product. Improving its quality control and public use.
Title: Re: Santa Anita
Post by: JimP on March 10, 2019, 08:30:21 AM
“we may consider not running“

Now there’s a definitive statement. LOL