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Title: Rugbyman
Post by: Silver Charm on July 06, 2018, 08:43:58 AM
Looked to me like a physical beast in the Easy Goer. Was very wide down the backstretch and turn. Ran green in the lane and may have just plain lost too much ground to win the race. Jumping from a maiden to Stakes was a pretty big hike in class.

Seems to only be working once a month unless Motion is shipping him in and out of some training facility where nothing is clocked. Mendelsohn will take a boat load of money with that negative 4 sitting back there. Maybe not early in the wagering but at crunch time those willing to forgive will send in.

Rugbyman could be a steal at 5-2. He could be a contender at Saratoga for the bigger races. Yes I am projecting. But it is what we do
Title: Re: Rugbyman
Post by: Silver Charm on July 08, 2018, 04:50:31 AM
Apology for this selection. I guess when you see a lightly raced 3YO this time of year (and spring) working only once between races there is cause for concern. Maybe this one needs to find grass. The condition line was there. The pull in wieghts. A favorite (or at least until that last hammer on FF) who didnt figure to run to less than odds on.

Salvaged some of the damamge on Limosine who might be getting better and did anyone notice Whitmores numbers are not what last years were? And then saved the entire day on Catholic Boy. Live to fight another day. Quality product or Card NYRA has put together for the 4th weekens
Title: Re: Rugbyman
Post by: Rich Curtis on July 08, 2018, 08:29:11 AM
Silver Charm wrote:

\"I guess when you see a lightly raced 3YO this time of year (and spring) working only once between races there is cause for concern.\"

Silver Charm: Believing stats that you read on the Rags board is usually a mistake.

Believing things like this (from the Rags board yesterday):

\"Rule: Play no Motion horse who hasn’t worked twice since his last race. They don’t win.\"

...is completely insane. This statement is ludicrous on its face. You don\'t even need to look it up. But if you did look it up, you would find that it is complete nonsense.

Whenever you see a statement like that one and it is not connected to the number of days since the horse\'s last start, flush it down the toilet.

And if you ever see a stat on the Rags board and Hoarse Whisperer thinks it is true, or thinks it might be true, or refuses to rule it out entirely, flush it down the toilet--because it is false and almost certainly absurd.
Title: Re: Rugbyman
Post by: Silver Charm on July 08, 2018, 08:49:19 AM
Ok understood. But my original post brought up the one work and I assumed there were other. Just not clocked. Athletes of this age need conditioning. Of they are not getting it there is something amiss. Look at the 1-2 finishers in the Belmont Derby. 3 works. If they were 7YO its a different story.
Title: Re: Rugbyman
Post by: Rich Curtis on July 08, 2018, 10:19:01 AM
This post is fine with me as far as it goes, Silver Charm. Rugbyman might well have had unpublished works before his maiden win, for example. The problem comes if you start blending this sort of speculation with the ludicrous Motion stats from the Rags board. Doing so gives you a statistical game that is rigged in favor of workouts.